Jesse Singal, Dan Savage and the trans controversy

Interesting read. It's about Singal, but Savage is sharing it on his platform.

CANCEL CULTURE! CANCEL CULTURE!

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN SUPPORTED BIDEN'S BILL TO CORRECT THE TRUMP CATASTROPHE!

OP, why are you reading Quillette?

Libertarian leaning, republican talking points...

Jesse Singal

Journalist

—Cites unproven research in a cover story for The Atlantic, that “Trauma, particularly sexual trauma, can contribute to or exacerbate [gender] dysphoria in some patients.”

—Admitted to wildly misinterpreting a study on trans kids that he relied on for the article. Singal had wrongly claimed that adolescent patients who did not return to a clinic for gender dysphoria had "desisted" and no longer desired to change genders. There was never any evidence that any of the adolescents actually desisted. Singal says he "goofed" but clung to his belief that trans children can and do desist.

—Amplifies the unproven theory of “social contagion” that kids are being “influenced by the gender-identity exploration they’re seeing online and perhaps at school or in other social settings, rather than experiencing gender dysphoria.”

Singal has refuted each of GLAAD’s points. Dan Savage:

Great. Now the Trans Nuts are going to go berserker here. The very mention of desistance sends them off their rockers.

Of course it's going to be real interesting to see what happens as more and more people "desist" away from trans identity. All these "wanna bes" are going to age out of wanting to be different and if they've gone surgical or heavily into hormones, they're going to be very regretful indeed.

And, GLAAD is a moronic organization. They're the equivalent of the Foreign Press Association and the Golden Globes.

Hacks.

Quillette? QUILLETTE?? Couldn't you just link to Daily Caller or Breitbart? It would've saved us the trouble of peeling off pseudointellectual verbal diarrhea.

Singal gives as good as he gets - he has been playing footsie with the right on "science" issues for a few years now and he had wrongly predicted that the replication crisis in psychology would somehow benefit conservatives but he was wrong and now he blew his credibility - he barely is published in mainstream outlets anymore and now is grifting of his new right wing base. He tried to make those quacks up in Toronto into martyrs but those scientists had gone astray years ago - they published Spizters pro-conversion therapy "study" in 2000 and have been flirting with "provocative" (.ie., anti-gay) studies on and off ever since. I am sure the trans crowd went overboard but I have love lost for those guys (and one woman as I recall)...

Singal isn't even that good of journalist - he just found controversial topics and threw gas on the fire with very little original reporting or critical insight. He and Quillette have much in common in that respect.

Signal and GLAAD deserve each other - they both have little credibility. GLAAD was taken over by the trannies and it is non-stop with the gender bullshit...

Okay, I had no idea that Quillette was bad, didn't know much about it.

I just saw Dan Savage and figured this would be catnip for some kind of discussion.

[quote] Okay, I had no idea that Quillette was bad, didn't know much about it.

Yes, you did.

I never even heard of that site.

Watching TransTwitter go after Dan now. Lordy.

Quillette is notable for giving a platform to really far-right writers. Even I heard of it, and I'm not very up on current journalism.

Surprised Dan chose this issue to break ranks with the trans? I think he wants to fuck Jesse...

[quote]Surprised Dan chose this issue to break ranks with the trans?

Seems he’s broken ranks with them before — or, at least, they’ve perceived that he had.

According to him: “(Defending Singal) would be dismissed as one transphobe coming to the defense of another and quite possibly make things worse for Jesse and renew the accusations against me,”

This dude pushed gay conversion therapy?

[quote] the unproven theory of “social contagion” that kids are being “influenced by the gender-identity exploration they’re seeing online and perhaps at school or in other social settings, rather than experiencing gender dysphoria

This is absolutely happening. Mostly, if not exclusively, due to the Internet.

Unfortunately, Quillette is one of the only outlets that will stand up to the T mob. They’ve taken over everything else.

[quote] This dude pushed gay conversion therapy?

Um, no?! Where the fuck did you get that idea?

Jesse is awesome. His podcast cohost Katie Herzog is awesome. They’re both hilarious, and right about a lot of things (I mainly disagree with Jesse about the Bernie wing of Twitter—he thinks Chapo Trap House and the Bruenigs are great... vomit).

He has never been a “transphobe”. He has never been right wing, and he isn’t now. And Quillette publishes stories that other outlets are afraid to—it doesn’t mean they’re on par with the Daily Caller.

You people are idiots.

Dan Savage should have been canceled a LONG fucking time ago. He’s Milky Loads Sullivan in sheep’s clothing. He goes right along in the dustbin with Greenwald and Taibbi. These are barely liberals in name only.

R12 No, I didn't. I didn't know what it was. I posted it from Twitter.

Sorry you need to invent some huge conspiracy around it. I will admit to posting shit from Twitter without reading all the pieces, so I apologize for that. But do not speak for me. Ever.

[quote] But do not speak for me. Ever.

Speak for you? That's your definition of speaking for you? Idiot.

You don't belong here. Ever.

They’ve run him off Twitter. The comments are atrocious.

R21, that’s what they’re all talking about and what articles about him are saying - he propped up a gay conversion therapist.

When are people going to stop caring what a few virgin cunts on Twitter say?

Dan has been dealing with the Trannies for many, many years. They don't like him and now they're gonna swarm on him.

I just started listening to Singal's podcast a few weeks ago, the one he does with the self-described butch lesbian.

I'm not surprised that the woke are going after him because he and his co-host are very apt at tearing down cancel culture. They are clearly left wing, but they're not part of the new, insane left wing that had lost touch with rationality.

Anyway, two recent episodes were devoted to interviews, one with a detransitioner, and one with a child psychologist of gender dysphoria (who is trans). How anybody got transphobia out of those episodes, I will never understand. I learned a lot in particular from the psychologist, and it was a great interview.

Part of the problem with the Twitter trans crew is that anything that doesn't affirm their worldview must be silenced. That includes people who have detransitioned, because in that world, people don't de-transition unless they have been brainwashed. It's ridiculous.

I feel bad for trans people who just want to live their lives, and are getting painted with the same brush as a small number of lunatics on Twitter with the loudest voices. And I'm extremely disheartened that GLAAD took this position.

r22 it is kind of surprising that he is still somewhat of a thing. -you would think he would have been cancelled for his past biphobia. He straight up said he didn't believe in it multiple times over multiple years. Then he suddenly said he did after he realized that position was no longer tenable.......

I mean I dont care for savage, or bisexuals, but it is interesting that other people in professional 'LGBTQ' advocacy world would have been cancelled for the bi/trans 'phobia' that he was pretty blatant with in the past.

Have anyone asked DL fave Miss Terry Miller to cancel his transphobic husband yet?

[quote] cancelled for his past biphobia. He straight up said he didn't believe in it multiple times over multiple years.

Lots of people don’t believe in bisexuality. Women, sure, but can men really be bi?

r32 bro you cant *literally* change your sex - doesnt mean you won't get cancelled for saying so in 2021.

[quote]And I'm extremely disheartened that GLAAD took this position.

GLAAD has been a dumpster fire for many, many years now. It had its uses when LGB characters on film and TV were portrayed without nuance, but it's lost all sense of nuance since then and also become a tiresome champion of the T under any and all circumstances.

Is Anthony Watson still on the board of GLAAD? He's the wealthy British business executive person more famous for paying teenage Instagram bros for their company on his skiing trips and expensive restaurant visits. For some reason he never takes trans boys on his trips. And he has a strict whites only policy.

He tried to get a female journalist in Britain sacked because she was outspoken about the plans to scrap sex based rights and replace them with self ID based rights. He's went through a phase of going after high profile female journalists who are far more clever than he is and often resorted to laughing at him. When when actual trans women got involved to tell him to stop abusing women he carried on.

[quote]That company and everyone who works for them and everyone who's a fan wants trans people dead / T slur, transphobia, Dan Savage article

I don't know what's more ridiculous: the notion that anyone who reads Quillette "wants trans people dead" (and I HATE Quillette), or the idea that "Dan Savage article" requires a "trigger warning."

Bitch, try growing up in the Reagan shadow of AIDS.

Okay, THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DON’T TRUST SCIENTISTS ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND COVID

When liberals make claims that “science says” that there is no social contagion element with gender dysphoria and that there’s no big risk with minors medically transitioning, well, that simply defies common sense. The more scientists who make such claims, the more people will distrust scientists on other more important issues.

OP, Quillette is fine. It is not alt right. It is filled with well researched and written pieces that often defend free speech and independent thought. It is pretty much standard classic liberalism with a conservative bend, not WOKE.

When I first read Quillette, I was worried it was alt right because what some people online said. But, read the work they publish. It speaks for itself.

The only thing I got from any of this is they’re all execrable trash and can ALL drop off the face of the planet as far as anyone is concerned. Who fucking cares about any of this.

GROW.

UP.

How HRC and GLAAD (next tweet) have been taken over by the T.

FFS. I’m on drugs, sorry.

Is Miss R24 still speaking? Blocked the hideous cuntscab.

R2, I prefer to get my information from multiple sources. Yes, including the NYT and WAPO. Even though I am skeptical as hell anymore with them, I still take a gander. Stop being a fucking hall monitor.

Dan and Terry's boy toy is a super woke 20-something. He deleted all his social media yesterday.

And the identity wars continue. Notice how so many early responders to this thread attack the background of the publication rather than the points made in the article.

What you say or do *no longer matters*. All that matters is who or what you’ve identified as being.

And here we all are, with a ringside seat to watch as human thought careens off a cliff.

"One of the odd-seeming aspects of progressive cancel culture is that many of the figures targeted by mobs aren’t especially conservative in their views. Rather, the victims tend to be heterodox liberals "

That's the thing about the Twitter mobs and "activist" wokies, they'd much rather attack their allies than people who actually disagree with them. Partly because they have tiny minds and would rather get worked up over small issues that pay attention to the attack on democracy or anything, and partly because they know that people who mostly agree with them won't fight back and their real enemies will.

Fuck social media, it's all the People's Front of Judea vs. the Judean People's Front there.

[quote]R5 All these "wanna bes" are going to age out of wanting to be different and if they've gone surgical or heavily into hormones, [bold]they're going to be very regretful indeed.[/bold]

Or, Chicken Little, maybe it would just teach them more about life.

Anything that cancels Dan Savage is a good thing.

r44 what was his name? twitter? IG? Even if deleted, you can search for old replies on twitter....

[quote][bold]Who exactly is Dan Savage?[/bold]

[quote]The generations of queer people who don’t have any memory of a time before the internet probably aren’t terribly familiar with Mr. Savage.

ME-OW!

Just cancel him for good so we can get new people on the scene. He’s way stale.

Empty the garbage, people!

Excellent article OP, thx for link.

Poor “talking points” troll r2 probably didn’t understand the concepts discussed in it. If a piece of content doesn’t have the Communications Committee's approved talking points, some people just dismiss it.

They are insane. I stay away from twitter, but sometimes I click links here and then go down the rabbit hole. But like, this is a chick. Like no one can see anything other than a woman in this girl. Is she even on T And yet she thinks she can call herself a gay man? That her husband is 'gay'?That she will 'out gay' glen Greenwald - thus exposing her belief that being a homosexual man is actions, or doing a performance just right? Like fuck off. And guy gassing her up, Christopher Keelty, is this super woke professional 'im queer so my opinion is the most important', bi married to a fucking woman. He leaves that part out most of the time. I have seen him speak on behalf of gay men being into trans men before too! Like you obviously like pussy - you married one, but fuck you for gaslighting us you fucking bishit.

Fuck these homophobic queers. Seriously it makes me angry.

The legitimate trans vs illegitimate trans debate has been bubbling for a while.

So many gay men I know see themselves as trans allies and hate TERFs and think JK Rowling is worse than Hitler. They don't have a problem with sex offenders who "transition" in prison being sent to women's prisons because trans women are women.

But when it comes to trans men it's a whole different debate. Why are girls using Grindr? Why are women pretending to be gay men? Why are they telling gay men that we have to be attracted to people with vaginas? Trans men very much aren't men.

It's not just misogyny.

It's because gay men hate women. When they want to stick their disease ridden willies inside each other they know what a man is, but not when it comes to protecting our spaces and sex-based rights. Thankfully the transtapo are coming for gay men, and no group deserve it more than them.

What’s going on? Someone explain in ten words please. I don’t like to read articles.

R57, you’re a freak and a liar. I’m guessing you’re a trans man?

R29, I’m so glad you’re listening to Blocked and Reported!

For other people, it can be “very online” and if you’re not familiar with or invested in online drama, a lot of their episodes might not be interesting to everyone, but they do a good job of giving the backstory to these issues, and they are *hilarious*. Herzog in particular is witty as hell.

What episode had a detransitioner on? I subscribe to their Patreon monthly and get all the episodes, but I don’t remember a detrans person being on.

Blocked and Reported! looks like right-wing garbage.

It isn’t, R62. The two hosts are liberals/lefties. Try again.

Is not that they’re trans , it’s because they almost all have borderline personality disorder.

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