So why exactly did Jackie O marry Onassis?

She wanted to marry someone who was as funny looking as she was.

At least they didn’t have any children!

by Anonymousreply 1December 29, 2017 4:22 PM

there were threats against her and her kids and Onassis had the power and money to protect them all

by Anonymousreply 2December 29, 2017 4:24 PM

She was madly in love with him! Who wouldn't be? He was physically irresistible, and he had a history of being a perfect husband and father in private and public... the perfect man. Jackie didn't even care that he was poor.

Oh wait...

by Anonymousreply 3December 29, 2017 4:24 PM

“If they're killing Kennedys, then my children are targets .”

by Anonymousreply 4December 29, 2017 4:25 PM

if you search before you post you can usually find the answer

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by Anonymousreply 5December 29, 2017 4:26 PM

She was the original Wendi Deng.

by Anonymousreply 6December 29, 2017 4:32 PM

[quote]Was she poor?

Yes, Jackie was On Assistance

by Anonymousreply 7December 29, 2017 4:39 PM

She also married him because her allowance from the Kennedys was cut after RFK’s death. She received $150k annually from the JFK trust, and Bobby gave her an extra $100k to supplement it. Not enough for Jackie in 1968.

Ari gave her a $3 million payment upfront plus $30,000 monthly as an allowance, as well as credit cards. This was still not enough for her, so she resorted to purchasing thousands in clothes on Ari’s credit cards, then selling them for cash on consignment.

She collected something like $42 million in 1975 dollars from Onassis over the course of the marriage .

by Anonymousreply 8December 29, 2017 4:40 PM

Did anybody see the episode of The Crown where Elizabeth meets Jackie and Jackie tells her that JFK is emotionally and physically abusive and they both are administered "cocktails" of drugs by the same Dr. Feelgood who "treated" Marilyn? Methadone, methamphetamine and barbiturates... no wonder she stayed so thin!

by Anonymousreply 9December 29, 2017 4:56 PM

She was a glorified prostitute. Her white skin and family name put a desirable spin on it.

But that’s what she was!

by Anonymousreply 10December 29, 2017 4:57 PM

Jackie having a bad hair day.

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by Anonymousreply 11March 30, 2018 12:54 AM

Also....Ari was a hot lay--everyone knew it. Jack was a lousy lay--wham-bam-thank-you-m'am.....For Jackie, that was a bonus for getting her hands on all that money.

by Anonymousreply 12March 30, 2018 12:57 AM

The novelty soon wore off for Onassis. He said "this woman is a bore, all she does is shop".

by Anonymousreply 14March 30, 2018 12:59 AM

Ari was bisexual . . . once seduced a prison guard.

by Anonymousreply 15March 30, 2018 1:01 AM

She wanted off the pedestal the world had placed her on and she didn't want to be known as the widow Kennedy. Plus the money and security.

by Anonymousreply 16March 30, 2018 1:03 AM

Jackie said years ago that America had become such a violent country - the shootings and deaths if John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and Bobby Kennedy - that she wanted to leave and live in a safer place, hence the marriage to Onassis.

by Anonymousreply 17March 30, 2018 1:06 AM

$ she wanted more- to insulate herself, and essentially because marrying wealth while not her only motivation was second nature to and her family.

by Anonymousreply 18March 30, 2018 1:08 AM

The famous photo of Jackie and Ari.

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by Anonymousreply 19March 30, 2018 1:08 AM

I’m that photo, R19, it looks like she is thinking of England...

by Anonymousreply 20March 30, 2018 1:15 AM

Rare photo of Jackie smoking in public.

Jackie, Mamie Eisenhower, Pat Nixon and Laura Bush . . . all chain smokers.

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by Anonymousreply 21March 30, 2018 1:17 AM

Everyone smoked back then. We even made ashtrays in grade school to give as gifts.

by Anonymousreply 23March 30, 2018 3:05 AM

It’s no coincidence that Americans stopped smoking and then got FAT. Smoking keeps you thin.

by Anonymousreply 24March 30, 2018 3:12 AM

Ari had a fetish for women with freakishly large heads, widely spaced eyes, crooked teeth and man sized hands and feet! Plus they had to have a sense of entitlement and be greedy.

by Anonymousreply 25March 30, 2018 3:16 AM

"So why exactly did Jackie O marry Onassis?"

Because Lee saw him first -

by Anonymousreply 26March 30, 2018 3:33 AM

Jackie smoked throughout all 5 of her pregnancies.

The miscarriage, stillborn Arabella, Caroline, John, Jr. and Patrick.

John, Jr. and Patrick were both born with lung ailments, only Patrick's was much worse.

by Anonymousreply 27March 30, 2018 3:39 AM

R27 there was a rumor/speculation that JFK had contracted chlamydia from fucking around so much and transmitted it to Jackie. Hence her miscarriage and trouble conceiving.

by Anonymousreply 28March 30, 2018 3:46 AM

Ari was very powerful and was involved with Jack's assassination. Lee and Jackie had visited Ari well beforehand and Jackie Spent two weeks with him. Jackie was tired of Jack well before JFK Died. Ari was responsible for a lot of horrible things, like what really happened to Howard Hughes.

by Anonymousreply 29March 30, 2018 3:52 AM

Well don’t leave me hanging r29... what really happened to Howard Hughes?

by Anonymousreply 30March 30, 2018 3:57 AM

R29, Was Ari responsible for Hoffa's disappearance or Judge Crater?

by Anonymousreply 31March 30, 2018 3:58 AM

Jackie redid the public rooms of the White House- I will be forever greatful for that. Her taste and those that helped her was equisite.

Thank God 45 can't mess with anything.

by Anonymousreply 32March 30, 2018 4:00 AM

JFK was so sexually active in his youth, he had to undergo a circumcision in 1935 at age 18 due to venereal disease.

by Anonymousreply 33March 30, 2018 4:03 AM

R31, Look into the Gemstone File. It's one of very few conspiracy theories that I actually believe.

by Anonymousreply 36March 30, 2018 4:07 AM

Maria Callas was not greedy and expected very little. Onassis realized he screwed up after he dumped her for Jackie.

by Anonymousreply 37March 30, 2018 4:14 AM

She was only thinking of the well-being of her children by ensuring that the little Kennedys could kiss their Own Asses!

by Anonymousreply 39March 30, 2018 4:23 AM

She almost got $120 million dollars from the Onasiss estate in 1975. But the estate executives made sure that didn't happen. So she ended up with the $26 million dollar settlement instead. Under greek law a none greek spouse is only entitled to but so much of their deceased greek spouses wealth. But $26 million dollars is still pretty sweet. Especially in 1975 dollars. I'd say she made out like a bandit. Now Caroline and her family gets to enjoy that money.

by Anonymousreply 40March 30, 2018 5:06 AM

Through wise investing by her pal Andre Meyer, that $26 million grew to well over $100 million.

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by Anonymousreply 41March 30, 2018 5:39 AM

Plus, Jackie wasn't a big spender after Ari. She lived pretty simply considering her money. It was Lee that was the show-off.

by Anonymousreply 42March 30, 2018 5:55 AM

Because she was a gold-digging whore, like Melania.

by Anonymousreply 44March 30, 2018 8:13 AM

Jackie was hardly a gold-digging whore. She grew up in a different time. Women like her were debutantes, with their main goal of catching a suitable husband.

by Anonymousreply 45March 30, 2018 4:31 PM

Jackie was greedy and self centered with a daddy complex. When she died, I was so upset. The attorney I worked for at the time was all "meh"...and I asked her why. She and I took a long lunch and she told me. The stories about her greed and spending and how controlling she could be especially with JFK Junior. Then I read several books written about her that definitely washed away some of the glitter and glamor of her mystique as well as the Kennedys in general. Fucking nuts all of them. She also insisted that John-John was closeted. For a straight woman to say that? Normally they're the first to deny the gayness of any good looking eligible man. Jackie wasn't a goddess bit a very flawed woman of flesh and bone. Too many people buy into all that crap about "Camelot". Meh.

by Anonymousreply 46March 30, 2018 4:50 PM

[quote] there were threats against her and her kids and Onassis had the power and money to protect them all

That's an outright lie that Jackie told/ spun. She spent a few months with Onassis in Greece after they got married and then she and her children continued to live in America.

by Anonymousreply 47March 30, 2018 4:51 PM

Jackie was flawed? I'm shocked! No one has to buy into Camelot, but the woman was chic. And she knew how to be a First Lady.

by Anonymousreply 48March 30, 2018 4:59 PM

[quote]Jackie was hardly a gold-digging whore. She grew up in a different time. Women like her were debutantes, with their main goal of catching a suitable husband.

So she was an OLD gold-digging whore.

by Anonymousreply 49March 30, 2018 5:02 PM

[quote] Jackie smoked throughout all 5 of her pregnancies.

Almost all women smoked through their pregnancies back then. A lot drank alcohol back then too. Jackie's miscarriages and stillborns were because of her husband's many venereal diseases

by Anonymousreply 50March 30, 2018 5:04 PM

When a man as rich as Onassis comes calling you can make it work. They both knew the game hence he allowed her to hop over to America soon after they married. She was an object and he was the bank. Seems like a rather good deal if you ask me. I'm sure both had pieces on the side to keep them sexually satisfied.

by Anonymousreply 51March 30, 2018 5:04 PM

No she didn't. Thermo secret trick to being FLOTUS. Jeez R48. Chicness does not a FLOTUS make. Eleanor Roosevelt was not chic by any means but her heart was in the right place even when she was at odds with Franklin. Or the public. Tactful, sincere and philanthropic to a fault. She pushed for civil rights when it was unpopular...she tried to get FDR to allow !ore Jewish refugees in the US who were trying to escape from Hitler. She advised FDR on ending segregation in the Armed Forces (he died before he could do anything, so Truman signed the order)...Jackie was supposed to have lunch with the wives of several prominent civil rights leaders. She went horseback riding instead. Jackie was all about what you could do for Jackie.

by Anonymousreply 52March 30, 2018 5:07 PM

That's odd about her and John-John, especially since she had so many gay friends.

by Anonymousreply 53March 30, 2018 5:08 PM

There's NO, not Thermo...

by Anonymousreply 54March 30, 2018 5:10 PM

r53 the upper crust loved to hang out with their gay artsy "friends", been that way since the Greeks. But, they would never want their children to be gay.

by Anonymousreply 55March 30, 2018 5:11 PM

Jackie took the country by storm as FLOTUS in 1961.

The fact that she succeeded three dowdy old bags, Mamie, Bess and Eleanor certainly helped.

by Anonymousreply 56March 30, 2018 5:14 PM

I'll give her a pass. Having your husband's brains splattered all over you- I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Even Melanoma.

by Anonymousreply 57March 30, 2018 5:17 PM

On the audio recordings Jackie made with Arthur Schlesinger in 1964, some of her comments were rather harsh.

She threw shade at Martin Luther King, Adlai Stevenson, Pat Nixon, Dean Rusk, Eunice Shriver. Alan King, Rose Kennedy, John Connally, etc.

by Anonymousreply 58March 30, 2018 5:21 PM

She married him because she was greedy, but she did not get to enjoy her 'haul' for very long.

by Anonymousreply 59March 30, 2018 5:22 PM

Rose Kennedy was a nasty cunt. I hope she went to hell.

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by Anonymousreply 61March 30, 2018 5:25 PM

R59, She married him in 1968 and lived until 1994.

by Anonymousreply 62March 30, 2018 5:26 PM

It's hard to believe that Jackie bought dresses on someone else's dime, then "sold them on consignment." Like her or not, she did have class because of the way she was raised. She wouldn't have wanted people knowing that she went into trade.

With all her money from one source or another, why would she need to do that?

by Anonymousreply 63March 30, 2018 5:43 PM

She was a nasty greedy twat. She shook down Old Joe for $1million in 1959 or 1960 to not divorce JFK before he ran for President.

by Anonymousreply 64March 30, 2018 5:48 PM

What was she spending her money on? Even today 30k a month could buy a lot of designer clothes. Here homes were never hers so she didn't have to worry about maintenance and staff. What the heck was she buying?

by Anonymousreply 65March 30, 2018 5:57 PM

She was saving. And lots of wealthy women consign clothes- especially if you only wear something once.

by Anonymousreply 66March 30, 2018 6:04 PM

She owned 2 homes-at least, during her time with Onassis.

by Anonymousreply 67March 30, 2018 6:28 PM

Cause diamonds are a girl's best friend!

by Anonymousreply 68March 30, 2018 6:46 PM

Onassis owned his own island and paid plenty of armed guards to protect Jackie and her kids.

But the funny thing is that they all returned to NYC and the kids went to school there and then to American colleges. Why not send them to school in Switzerland and settle in Paris or London?

by Anonymousreply 69March 30, 2018 6:50 PM

She sounds like some Depression Era housewife, hoarding money before the next crash. Lots of financial anxiety in that woman.

by Anonymousreply 70March 30, 2018 7:00 PM

Jackie never expected to leave the planet at 64.

by Anonymousreply 71March 30, 2018 7:15 PM

Some people are making it seem like Jackie had no choice but to marry Onassis because of the era. Well if a teenage Liz Taylor could avoid marrying Howard's Hughes back in the 40s, against wishes of a stage mom, a middle-aged society matron like Jackie could well have refused Onassis in the late 60s had she wanted to. Jackie chose to marry Onassis for that green.

by Anonymousreply 72March 30, 2018 7:18 PM

She basically banked the 50K or $30K monthly allowance she got from Arie. And shopped up a storm every month using the credit card Arie gave her and handed the clothes off to her assistant to sell at consignment in NYC. And the check would go directly into jackies personal bank accounts basically preparing for the future. She wanted to be financially secured just incase the cash cow Onasiss marriage fell apart. She would have all of the money she's hoarding from shopping and consignment shops. The monthly allowance and her big Onasiss settlement from Christina. She was being smart. That's why she was always spending lots of money. So she could sell it on consignment. I think her fear of being broke and poor goes back to her childhood having something to do with her father. She was sometimes afraid her school tuition fees wouldn't get paid because her father wasn't really good with money. And there was a whole host of other things to. But she was smart to do what she did. She ended up deep in the money.

by Anonymousreply 73March 30, 2018 7:27 PM

$$$$$$ was very important to Jackie. I don't blame her. Monday is very hard to come by in this world .And if you're in a position where you can get it and bank a fortune for yourself and you're family. Take full advantage of the situation. I know I would. Why not? To some people financial security it paramount in life. Because if you don't have it you'll suffer in many ways. And I completely agree with that sentiment.

by Anonymousreply 74March 30, 2018 7:33 PM

Comparing Liz, a working "actress" to Jackie? You must be joking. Liz was truly a money-grubbing whore, with a stretched out pussy. Jackie never got fat, had better jewelry, and they both smoked, so don't try that excuse.

by Anonymousreply 76March 30, 2018 7:51 PM

r76 Yes, Liz worked and earned her own living while Jackie did not. And there lied their difference.

by Anonymousreply 77March 31, 2018 1:10 AM

R74, Actually, Monday comes by once a week.

by Anonymousreply 78March 31, 2018 2:28 AM

Same reason her mother married her second husband. Security and an allowance.

by Anonymousreply 79March 31, 2018 2:31 AM

Jackie expressed concern to friends when Lee married Hebert Ross. She was aware that Ross had lived openly with a man prior to marrying Nora Kaye and had heard the rumors that he was gay.

by Anonymousreply 80March 31, 2018 2:43 AM

[quote] Onassis owned his own island and paid plenty of armed guards to protect Jackie and her kids. But the funny thing is that they all returned to NYC and the kids went to school there and then to American colleges. Why not send them to school in Switzerland and settle in Paris or London?

She made up the lie about threats against her children and marrying Onassis because he could "provide security". Either that, or they actually were getting threats and she didn't give a shit about her kids and chose to still live in NYC because she only cared about what she wanted. It's one or the other

by Anonymousreply 81March 31, 2018 3:03 AM

She wasn't poor. But she wanted to be filthy, obscenely rich so she married Onassis. But even with all his money it was never enough. He gave her a huge allowance but she still went off the limit and spent money like water. Jackie was greedy as hell. She had what some have called "money lust." Her daughter Caroline inherited it. She loves money as much as her Mommy did.

Jackie's fans say she married Onassis for "security." She married for his MONEY, like any other gold digger.

by Anonymousreply 82March 31, 2018 3:07 AM

R81, Those armed guards could not keep the paparazzi away.

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by Anonymousreply 83March 31, 2018 3:36 AM

R41, I've always read it was her long-term boyfriend/social companion Maurice Tempelsman, the international financier, to whom she went for advice on investing the Onassis settlement. And that he told her to invest in things that people use once a day and then throw away, like Kleenex. And toilet paper.

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by Anonymousreply 84March 31, 2018 6:21 AM

[quote] She also married him because her allowance from the Kennedys was cut after RFK’s death. She received $150k annually from the JFK trust, and Bobby gave her an extra $100k to supplement it.

Is this true? That ($150K) doesn't sound like a lot of money. And where did Bobby get $100K?

by Anonymousreply 85March 31, 2018 6:47 AM

[quote] And where did Bobby get $100K?

It was before the age of all those Kennedy cousins. There was still a bit of family money direct from Old Joe left.

by Anonymousreply 86March 31, 2018 6:51 AM

R78 I meant to say money is hard to come by in this world. auto correct put it as Monday. I knew someone was going to come along and clown that mishap.

by Anonymousreply 87March 31, 2018 7:01 AM

Each of Joe Kennedy's children had a ten million dollar trust fund set up, when ten million was mega-bucjs! During her marriage to Kennedy, Jackie considered her wealthy husband to be cheap, he never let her spend as much as she wanted to, and though that living too high would be bad for his political career. When he died, his money was put in trust for his children, and Jackie was either allowed to live on the interest from the kids' trust or got an allowance of her own, but she didn't think sux figures was enough to live decently on. Monday you, a good professional man might earn ten thousand a year!

So yeah, she wanted more money than she could ever earn, so she did what she'd been raised to do and unashamedly married for money. And she did it well, better than her mother or sister ever managed. Show some respect to a master of a craft!

by Anonymousreply 88March 31, 2018 7:03 AM

Elizabeth Taylor actually worked for her money. Jackie married it and inherited it. Also Elizabeth was way wealthier than Jackie ever was. Between movies and various businesses Elizabeth was involved in. She was able to do whatever she wanted to do financially speaking. Elizabeth died with hundreds of millions of dollars to her name. Jackie didn't. I think her estate at the time of her death was something like $43.7 million dollars. Not bad. But Elizabeth definitely had her beat in the money department.

by Anonymousreply 89March 31, 2018 7:07 AM

Jackie still had better jewels. Most of Liz' was tacky.

by Anonymousreply 90March 31, 2018 7:29 AM

Jackie felt humiliated at being forced to wear all of those horrible Oleg Cassini ripoffs of the French designers she actually wanted to wear. But Oleg had something on Old Joe from way back when, desperately wanted the prestige of dressing Jackie, and played his chips. Jackie was told to shut up and do what she was told because she was spending too much money anyway. She bit her lip and acquiesced but occasionally she went to the designers she really wanted anyway and dared Joe and Jack to complain publicly.

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by Anonymousreply 91March 31, 2018 7:34 AM

^ Ripoffs should have been knockoffs but you get the idea.

by Anonymousreply 92March 31, 2018 7:43 AM

The right answer showed up quick. R2 summed it up. That’s the way of it.

by Anonymousreply 93March 31, 2018 7:52 AM

Agree the security thing was bullshit. She didn’t hide out... was always out and about in the City, lunched at Sant Ambroeus, and sent her kids to brearley and collegiate respectively. Not the actions of someone paranoid about security,

Interesting that she sent Caroline to Brearley instead of Chapin , where we went pre Miss Porters...was she not happy there?

by Anonymousreply 94March 31, 2018 9:05 AM

A lot of it was about giving the finger to the Kennedys.

by Anonymousreply 95March 31, 2018 9:18 AM

R85, Bobby not only had his Kennedy money, Ethel had her Skakel money. The Skakel family was even wealthier than the Kennedy family, and Ethel's father earned his fortune honestly, unlike bootlegger Joe Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 96March 31, 2018 11:00 AM

No sorry, r89, Elizabeth "AID$" Taylor did NOT work for her fortune unless you consider spreading her legs for the hot and rumored horse-hung Mike Todd was 'work'.

Her real money came from her wealthy parents but mainly from the interest in TODD-AO that Mike Todd left to her.

by Anonymousreply 97March 31, 2018 11:08 AM

R97, Nicky Hilton, Eddie Fisher and John Warner were far better hung than Mike Todd.

by Anonymousreply 98March 31, 2018 11:11 AM

Debbie Reynolds or another insider said Eddie was a tinymeat!

by Anonymousreply 99March 31, 2018 11:22 AM

Debbie lied. Elizabeth confirmed that Eddie had a beer can cock.

by Anonymousreply 100March 31, 2018 1:45 PM

The singer and actor was constantly teased in the shower for his "third leg". His former lover Zsa Zsa Gabor said, "Oh, dahlink, we all knew that Eddie was hung like a horse." In the 1950's he was one of the most popular singers and a teen idol with his own TV show. His films include "Butterfield 8" with wife Elizabeth Taylor. Fisher wrote 2 autobiographies, and the second "Been There, Done That" (1999) contains lots of spicy sexual information.

by Anonymousreply 101March 31, 2018 2:03 PM

Greedy little cunt. It was all about $$$. The Deplorables see Melania as a modern day Jackie. That should tell you everything you need to know.

by Anonymousreply 102March 31, 2018 2:08 PM

r89 Perfectly put. Liz worked. Jackie leeched.

r90 Being a jobless depanda gave Jackie a lot more time to cultivate fine taste, I suppose.

r97 Bitch pls. Get your facts straight before thy pointless spewing of lies.

Liz was not THAT privileged as a child, she came from an upper middle class background, non millionaire background. Which was why Louis B Mayer could insult her and her mother to their faces before her megastardom. Which was why her parents drooled at Howard Hughes' offer of a personal studio plus one million in the late 1940s, and pressured her to marry. Teenage Liz fought the deal so it never passed.

Liz also had the dignity to refuse alimony upon divorcing Hilton as a 20 yr old. Nor did she play the victim and claim monetary damages even though she could - she was beaten into a miscarriage. Liz in her second marriage did like 4 movies per year - imagine the workload - earning enough to fund a star-worthy lifestyke for herself Michael Wilding and 2 children. That was way before Todd.

Todd was older than Liz but he was a charismatic DILF whom young women would like, and not a troll like Onassis. Todd did leave Liz a share of Todd AO, but back when he died his assets got frozen. And it took years for Todd AO to turn a profit. So, Liz continued working to support herself and her children. She earned her way to becoming a half million per picture star (Suddenly Last Summer), then a 0.75 million per picture star (Butterfield), and finally THE million+ dollar per picture megastar (Cleo and almost all the movies in the 60s and early 70s) -- all without help from Todd. Her subsequent successful investments in real estate and fashion and then perfume were all her own: no husband or sugar daddy helped her with those.

In the end, Jackie was a serial trophy wife celebrated only for vague and vapid qualities like class and glamor. Liz, on the other hand, was a self-made tycoon capable of earning trophy husbands for herself (hi, Wilding/Fisher/Burton/Warner/Fortensky). Liz never had to stoop to becoming a plaything trophy for old troll. She could even afford to get fat and then thin again, all on her own terms; unlike Jackie O, whose body and image was all she had to nap green from trolls.

Jackie can't be compared to Liz, or any other hard-working woman for that matter. Her lifestyle kept her even less self-sufficient than Marilyn Monroe for crying out loud.

by Anonymousreply 103March 31, 2018 4:53 PM

She was tired of being on Assistance.

by Anonymousreply 104March 31, 2018 5:01 PM

Jackie was never on assistance. Maybe Lee, but never Jackie. LOL, remember Jackie and Lee's mother Janet once had to give Lee $750K dollars to float Lee. Lee was never as rich as she wanted to be. But Jackie was. Which is why Jackie cut Lee out of her will. She'd helped Lee so much in life that she wasn't about to hand her another dime in death. so it should be Lee on assistance not Jackie. I think that would make a fun thread actually.

by Anonymousreply 105March 31, 2018 5:47 PM

If Liz was so well off why did she have to go on the payroll of the HIV/AID$ industry? And don't say it was 'voluntary' - these people do nothing for free. Plus it made her a laughingstock in Hollywood. No, sorry, she was well paid to be a shill.

by Anonymousreply 107March 31, 2018 6:05 PM

R107 would you have preferred if she “shilled” for the NRA? Piss off.

by Anonymousreply 108March 31, 2018 6:07 PM

r103 came with the receipts! Liz Taylor did the damn thing while she was here. Most gay men on this board admit to sleeping around, she used her body to move forward in the world and had an Academy Award winning career. Stay mad!

Jackie should be respected for her work on the White House and poise followed the assassination. Also her vagina was doing the lord's work when it gave us John John.

by Anonymousreply 109March 31, 2018 6:27 PM

R109, One can only imagine how hot Patrick Bouvier Kennedy(1963 - 1963) would have been.

by Anonymousreply 110March 31, 2018 6:35 PM

I don't understand the Jackie hate here. She was divine!

by Anonymousreply 111March 31, 2018 6:39 PM

Why do the beautify people, and their ungrateful-plain-cokehead wives, have to die!!!

by Anonymousreply 112March 31, 2018 6:40 PM

Where the fucking is Lee's money coming from these days? I really want to know.

by Anonymousreply 113March 31, 2018 6:47 PM

I gave the gold digger $26 million just to get the hell away from me.

by Anonymousreply 114March 31, 2018 7:06 PM

Lee married Herbert Ross for his money. He knew it, that's why he divorced her when he realized he was dying. He didn't want Lee to get his ocean front house in Easthamton. Lee thought Hollywood people were beneath her. There was a famous story about Lee taking Julia Roberts seat at the Steel Magnolia London premiere, forcing everyone, including Princess Diana and Prince Charles to change their seats. Ray Stark , the film's producer called her a cunt to her face. She would have been Mrs. Onassis had JFK not been assassinated. She felt Jackie owed her.

by Anonymousreply 115March 31, 2018 7:09 PM

At least Hollywood entertainment figures actually achieve things in their field of work. What exactly has Lee accomplished? Also didn't she want to be an actress at one point? They couldn't have been to beneath her if she wanted to take on that profession.

by Anonymousreply 116March 31, 2018 7:18 PM

Lee ended up as the Armani spoke person and all the free clothes (in size 00) that she could wear. She's sold most of her good art and furniture over the years, but her Paris flat is fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 117March 31, 2018 7:21 PM

Jackie and Lee were both overrated concubines. And not even pretty. I think Joan Kennedy was prettier and nicer. She just couldn't cope with the nutty, dysfunctional and bullying Kennedys. Jackie and Ethel were cunts. Supposedly Ethel got slapped by one of her African American housekeepers after calling her the N word. Wish I could have seen that. Ethelis nothing else but a life support system for a uterus...like that creature in ALIENS, just sitting there with eggs coming out of her loose hoo-ha.

by Anonymousreply 118March 31, 2018 7:52 PM

[quote]R73 she was smart to do what she did. She ended up deep in the money.

But it destroyed herr marriage.

Or are you saying she just saw it as another work shift?

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by Anonymousreply 119March 31, 2018 8:13 PM

r117, Lee put the Paris apartment on the market last year. I don't know whether's it's sold yet.

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by Anonymousreply 120March 31, 2018 10:55 PM

Jackie caused the breakup of Lee’s pending marriage (literally the day of the wedding ) to San Francisco millionaire Newton Cope in 1979 by having her attorney try to coerce Cope into signing a prenuptial agreement that guaranteed healthy alimony payments to Lee after marriage...that’s when Lee really started drinking.

by Anonymousreply 121March 31, 2018 11:06 PM

R121 they still went on the honeymoon through.

by Anonymousreply 122April 1, 2018 12:04 AM

"I don't understand the Jackie hate here. She was divine!"

Not divine. The best thing you could say about her was that she was "stylish." Aside from that she was a a first class snob and had a life long insatiable need to spend money. She was so snotty and entitled that that she wanted to build a fence around the White House so no lookie loos could get a dander at her or her precious little Prince and Princess. She truly looked down on most of humanity, an upper class bitch who considered the middle class and the poor inferiors.

by Anonymousreply 123April 1, 2018 12:14 AM

Work hard to becoming an academy award winning megastar and you're a whore. Sell yourself to one powerful husband after another as a decorative trophy and you're divine. Holy American values.

by Anonymousreply 125April 1, 2018 12:48 AM

[quote]R123 She truly looked down on most of humanity, an upper class bitch who considered the middle class and the poor inferiors.

After meeting her, the Kennedy sisters would remind each other, "Remember, it's Jack-[italic]LEAN.[/italic] Rhymes with QUEEN."

by Anonymousreply 126April 1, 2018 12:53 AM

It's not like Jackie was married 8 times (that would be Liz), her first husband was killed. Yes, Liz worked but Burton took any shit he could get to keep her in jewelry and an insane lifestyle. She was a fat cunt, no angel either. She peaked beauty- wise in the early 60s and was a mean drunk.

by Anonymousreply 127April 1, 2018 1:56 AM

Jackie WAS better than the rest of you.

by Anonymousreply 128April 1, 2018 2:01 AM

r127 Liz was the one who really did pay for the jewelry Burton supposedly bought her. See Auction of a Lifetime. The old timers knew Burton did not have half her earning power, and couldn't possibly afford the jewelry on his own earnings. It was all a ploy to elevate Burton up to her level of mega-stardom in the eyes of the movie-going public.

As for Jackie not marrying 8 times to 7 hubbies . . . well, how many times she marry wasn't really hers to decide. The role of a trophy wife is a passive one, always waiting to be chosen like some object. Apparently Jackie was chosen for only so many times by men with power and green.

by Anonymousreply 129April 1, 2018 2:40 AM

Kennedy actually needed a wife who wanted to marry for money, do don't feel sorry for him!

Really, what else did he have to offer a woman, or offer her over the long term? Any woman who married him would have to act as an unpaid politician, put up with his constant cheating and dreadfully controlling in-laws, plus his lousy fuck skills and his disinterest in marriage. Jackie was willing to take that deal and held up her end of the arrangement, she campaigned and politicked and wowed the public and birthed children, and never complained about him in public. By all accounts they got along well enough, when any other wife would have killed him.

Come to think of it, maybe he should have let her spend more of his money.

by Anonymousreply 130April 1, 2018 3:44 AM

The kennedy's were completely out of touch with real Americans. They didn't even want anything to do with the civil rights movement even after they were in office. But Bobby ended up having a change of heart. I was kinda surprised to learn that. I'm watching the kennedy's six part series on CNN. That kinda makes me think less of them actually.

by Anonymousreply 131April 1, 2018 4:46 AM

"Jackie WAS better than the rest of you."

No, she wasn't. If you think so, then you are an idiot of immense proportions.

by Anonymousreply 132April 1, 2018 4:51 AM

Elizabeth Taylor has a bigger legacy then Jackie does.

by Anonymousreply 133April 1, 2018 4:53 AM

I don’t understand why there have to be so many threads asking why a gold-digging courtesan married one of the richest men in the world?

by Anonymousreply 134April 1, 2018 5:10 AM

Jackie and Liz(showing some serious boobage).

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by Anonymousreply 135April 1, 2018 5:13 AM

R134 Because the topic is endlessly fascinating. Don't partake of its not you're cup of tea.

by Anonymousreply 136April 1, 2018 6:02 AM

r131 I'm watching the CNN Kennedy series as well, and no they do not come off well at all. This series has commentary by several noted historians and RFK Jr. and Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. It's very good so far, and unlike other "official" Kennedy documentaries, they don't sugarcoat anything. Rose and Joe in particular come across as pretty awful people.

by Anonymousreply 137April 1, 2018 6:16 AM

Liz had shitty taste in clothes. She looked like crap 90% of the time.

Jackie was always elegant- even in jeans.

by Anonymousreply 138April 1, 2018 6:24 AM

R137 Yes the CNN documentary is brutality honest about the Kennedy's. But it really surprised me about the whole civil rights situation that they weren't interested in doing anything to make things better. Someone in the series said the kennedy's we're white, privileged, and they lived in a bubble. A very comfortable bubble at that. And that they just didn't grow up seeing the inequality and mistreatment of African Americans during those years. Which I don't believe. Like most whites they saw what was going on but turned a blind eye to what was happening because it wasn't them. How can you be a family as wealthy and educated, cultured, and we'll traveled and be that ignorant to what's happening right here at home in you're own country. American citizens who supported you during you're run for president? Hearing that really made me look at the whole kennedy family completely different. It kinda makes you think maybe all of that family's bad karma was probably justified after all. I know that sounds bad. But there is no excuse for that level of overt ignorance. Especially when their so blessed in their own lives. But they weren't the only ones guilty of that type of immoral ignorance. My opinion of the kennedy's is forever changed.

by Anonymousreply 139April 1, 2018 6:39 AM

R128 Jackie sold her cunt to the highest bidder. Just a whore who charged more.

by Anonymousreply 140April 1, 2018 10:30 AM

The Kennedy fortune was earned fair and square in the private sector from people who paid them voluntarily, as opposed to the Bush Crime Family whose money comes totally from robbing and killing.

by Anonymousreply 141April 1, 2018 10:56 AM

r138 I wonder what's Onassis' opinion on that

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by Anonymousreply 143April 1, 2018 6:11 PM

[quote] The Kennedy fortune was earned fair and square ...

Oh, brother! Delusional. And Ignorant too.

by Anonymousreply 144April 1, 2018 8:42 PM

Before or after JFK she was never poor but she wasn't filthy, filthy rich and she wanted to be. I think with some women if the man is out of this world wealthy they are able to put up with whatever he looks like. For O Jackie was the ultimate trophy wife. That's what he got out of it. I'm sure just for sex he could have gotten much younger and prettier. I also can't imagine that Jackie was really good in the sack. I imagine her to be uptight.

by Anonymousreply 145April 1, 2018 8:50 PM

It makes no difference to a fish what her husband looks like with or without his clothes, all that matters is how much money he has and how much of it the fish can get from him.

by Anonymousreply 146April 1, 2018 8:54 PM

[quote] I've always read it was her long-term boyfriend/social companion Maurice Tempelsman, the international financier, to whom she went for advice on investing the Onassis settlement.

You are absolutely correct.

by Anonymousreply 147April 1, 2018 9:08 PM

Maurice was a diamond merchant. Andre Meyer provided Jackie with financial advice for decades.

Although he personally was publicity-shy, André Meyer was an advisor to the Kennedy family and a lifelong friend and advisor to Jackie Onassis. He was a friend and advisor to other high-profile public figures such as William S. Paley at CBS and Katharine Graham at the Washington Post. He was also a close confidant of U.S, President Lyndon Johnson, consulting at the Oval Office several times a year during Johnson's tenure.

by Anonymousreply 148April 1, 2018 10:06 PM

According to Leo Lermans diary, Maria Callas told him Onassis thought Jackie was a lousy lay partially because she wouldn’t do anal.

by Anonymousreply 149April 1, 2018 11:09 PM

[quote]R141 The Kennedy fortune was earned fair and square

Through bootlegging??

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by Anonymousreply 150April 1, 2018 11:26 PM

Liz was a remarkable woman, in that she seems to gave amassed great wealth, become fantastically famous, and gotten world-class collection of great jewelry, without ever compromising herself. She acted because she wanted to act, she fucked and married and had babies because she wanted to, and she got people to give her diamond without giving anything but a smile in return! (Nice trick, BTW.) I don't believe Liz ever sold herself in any real sense.

Jackie did, with both her marriages. She didn't want to become a politician's wife or a resident of Greece, but those were the best offers going so she took them. It was only after she was widowed for the second time that she could begin to live life on her own terms. I hope she thought it was all worth it.

by Anonymousreply 151April 2, 2018 12:20 AM

Jackie and Lee were treated from childhood by their families as the poor relations. They grew up in huge estates with no money of their own raised by a mother who felt their sole purpose was to marry well. Their father was a spendthrift with a drinking problem. No wonder they ended up obsessed with money.

by Anonymousreply 152April 2, 2018 1:08 AM

What is the best Jackie O. miniseries/movie/whathaveyou?

I saw JACKIE (2016) and was unmoved. Though they did seem to reproduce some of the clothes well, which is something.

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by Anonymousreply 153April 2, 2018 2:23 AM

I must say, she really walks like there's something[italic] extremely[/italic] uncomfortable lodged up her ass.

Did she suffer from...hemorrhoids or something?

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by Anonymousreply 154April 2, 2018 2:26 AM

I want to see the Onassis/Kennedy prenup. Anyone have info on that?

by Anonymousreply 155April 2, 2018 2:34 AM

I didn't know prenuptial agreements existed back then. Does a Kennedy/Onasiss prenup actually exist? I'd like to see that too.

by Anonymousreply 156April 2, 2018 2:37 AM

R154, Elizabeth did suffer from them. The week the Burtons were in CA to tape their "Here's Lucy" episode, she was to have them removed.

by Anonymousreply 158April 2, 2018 2:45 AM

r158 Elizabeth Taylor's life was cursed by health problems. This embarrassing bit is a walk in the cloud compared to the dysentery in the early 70s that almost killed her.

by Anonymousreply 159April 2, 2018 2:59 AM

Elizabeth Taylor also had "piles", that is, hemorrhoids. Bad ones, too, apparently; Richard Burton talks about them in his diaries, describing how her anus would bleed "like jelly."

by Anonymousreply 160April 2, 2018 3:20 AM

I never knew about Liz and her anal problems. What's this about dysentery that almost killed her? Benedict Cumberbatch almost died from dysentery in Mongolia or somewhere about a decade ago.

by Anonymousreply 161April 2, 2018 4:24 AM

[quote]R160 Richard Burton talks about them in his diaries, describing how her anus would bleed "like jelly."

I so wish I could un-see that....

by Anonymousreply 162April 2, 2018 4:39 AM

[quote] If Liz was so well off why did she have to go on the payroll of the HIV/AID$ industry? And don't say it was 'voluntary' - these people do nothing for free. Plus it made her a laughingstock in Hollywood. No, sorry, she was well paid to be a shill.

You're an asshole. You can say what ever you like, but Elizabeth Taylor raised a lot of money. AIDS was a death sentence. It was 100% fatal. In 20 yrs, enough money was raised, research was conducted, medication was discovered and now people live healthy full lives. And Elizabeth Taylor was a part of that. And she did it at a time that no one else wanted to help

And Jackie Kennedy . . . . She decorated the white house (she hired decorators) and edited some shitty books. And she didn't leave a penny to charity. She'd have taken all her money with her, if she could

by Anonymousreply 163April 2, 2018 4:53 AM

I used to worship Jackie, but when Diana died it hit me that Jackie had done virtually nothing for charity her entirely life. I don't count lobbying for buildings and inanimate objects. She genuinely didn't give a fuck about another living thing but her kids. And I thought omitting Lee in her will was cruel and unnecessary.

by Anonymousreply 164April 2, 2018 6:08 AM

Jackie was a shallow society woman. Her talent lay in "gracious living"...picking out nice curtains and such.

No one is obliged to be a hero...but its better when people who've actually [italic]accomplished[/italic] something are the ones who are lauded, and receive our attention.

Interestingly, she was kind of a cheapskate, and wanted to be given a lot of stuff for free. Many very wealthy people are like that.

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by Anonymousreply 165April 2, 2018 6:41 AM

Always thought she was such a hypocrite fr getting buried next to JFK (under the name "Jacqueline Kennedy") after she had been married to Onassis and lived with Tempelsman. She wanted to be idolized even after death. She should have been honest enough to be buried under her actual name at detah.

by Anonymousreply 166April 2, 2018 7:04 AM

She supposedly loved Maurice Tempelsman...but ultimately wouldn't marry him because he was Jewish.

Classy.

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by Anonymousreply 167April 2, 2018 7:29 AM

R161, Liz was into anal long before it became mainstream.

by Anonymousreply 168April 2, 2018 7:37 AM

[italic]Photoshopped!![/italic]

LOCK 'ER UP!

by Anonymousreply 170April 2, 2018 7:44 AM

These weren't nice people.

by Anonymousreply 171April 2, 2018 8:00 AM

Do in other words Jackie was basically Kim Kardashian? But that might be unfair to compare Kim to Jackie. Kim actually does a lot for charity quietly behind the scenes from what I've always heard. She may live a shallow hedonistic lifestyle. But you definitely hear about the good she does from time to time. This coming from someone who isn't necessarily a Kardashian Stan. The only thing I find fascinating about them is their lifestyle and wealth. Nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 172April 2, 2018 8:06 AM

Jackie O. did have a job before marriage, writing puff pieces for the Washington Times-Herald. I don't know if this was to amuse herself, or to really earn a living.

Later in life she edited books forDoubleday, working on artsy subjects that interested her. But it's not like she had the work load or hours of real literary editors.

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by Anonymousreply 173April 2, 2018 8:29 AM

Liz was a lousy actress and a whore. Men gave her jewelry for nothing? Please, you must be kidding. She was lucky her fag daddy was in the art business and bought what he advised. He was pretty smart. Liz- well, she married Larry Fortensky.

by Anonymousreply 175April 2, 2018 9:06 AM

Jackie did crappy things like regularly tell decorators such as Sister Parrish or Billy Baldwin that she needed a certain table or fabric, either overseas or in the U.S. She's then buy which ever showed up first and refuse the other order.

Can you imagine doing business that way as a regular person? Calling different pizza deliveriery places with the same order, then saying, "Oh, Domino's got here first. Bye."

What a c#nt.

by Anonymousreply 176April 2, 2018 9:13 AM

Well, he was her son's bio father, so there's that...

by Anonymousreply 177April 2, 2018 9:16 AM

PS: the Onasis Whore also gleefully posed nude for [italic]Hustler.[/italic]

A terrible day for us all...

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by Anonymousreply 178April 2, 2018 9:20 AM

Lee was the one that pulled the decorator shit, not Jackie. After "Princess", Lee was an actress, decorator and then clothing rep. Among other pursuits. At least Jackie married straight men.

by Anonymousreply 179April 2, 2018 9:22 AM

Jackie was a rancid slut that couldn't function without a man, and since she fucked all the Kennedys her cunt needed new cock and she needed money. God forbid the lazy bitch actually worked so she did want any good gold digger does, marry a wealthy old creep.

by Anonymousreply 180April 2, 2018 9:36 AM

You could say Jackie was the most successful whore US History produced, I guess.

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by Anonymousreply 181April 2, 2018 9:41 AM

WEHT Larry "12 inches" Fortensky?

by Anonymousreply 182April 2, 2018 9:41 AM

I stuffed it in my banged up cunt you fucker Liz

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by Anonymousreply 183April 2, 2018 9:46 AM

She married for money, isn't that obvious?

by Anonymousreply 184April 2, 2018 9:46 AM

Jackie tried to save the old Penn Station from destruction. That battle helped ignite an interest in landmarking buildings in NYC and saving them.

by Anonymousreply 185April 2, 2018 9:50 AM

She just didn't want her damn johns, a lot of whom were commuters, inconvenienced.

by Anonymousreply 186April 2, 2018 9:58 AM

O WOW, Jackie was SUCH a saint then R185. Too bad she was a fucking failure at that too. Dead husbands and lame protests. What exactly was she good for?

I'm surprised she could prise her her cunt away from a cock long enough to mingle out in the world.

by Anonymousreply 187April 2, 2018 9:58 AM

Her husband was assassinated in front of her. He was also the President and from a powerful family. I am sorry, but obviously she did not feel safe and she had kids. She married some old rich guy and that made her feel safer, both psychologically and practically.

by Anonymousreply 188April 2, 2018 10:34 AM

If only Slut Jackie HO was around today, she could have used dongs instead of auctioning off her cunt to to the highest bidder.

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by Anonymousreply 189April 2, 2018 10:45 AM

R188 If she wanted privacy and security for her kids, she could have moved to the Kennedy Compound in Hyannis Port.

Unfortunately, the closets weren't big enough for her.

by Anonymousreply 190April 2, 2018 11:07 AM

Jackie was a class act. She handled her cancer diagnosis admirably. When the doctors told her there was nothing more they could do for her, she insisted on going home from the hospital and demanded a morphine drip, which enabled her to die on her own terms in a matter of days.

by Anonymousreply 191April 2, 2018 2:51 PM

She got 3 mill for herself and 1 mill each for her two children as part of the marriage package - she also got around 30k monthly allowance which he reduced to 20k at some point due to her frivolous spending - staggering amount considering the time - no matter, she still had his name, her face and notoriety, and the ability to form the words "just charge it to my husband" - she had an ongoing fraudulent operation whereby she would purchase huge amounts of couture clothing, shoes, hand bags etc and sell the items to popular second hand boutiques, price tags intact - never worn/used - she would pester him to purchase exorbitantly priced "gifts" for her which were "gifts" to his way of thinking, but acquired ASSETS to hers (an ornate snuff box once belonging to Catherine the Great costing 100k for example or a house in some exotic tropical locale) - to call her "mercenary" detracts from her own special brand of cunning - chick was on a financial mission from the onset of the marriage - her heros were the men of power and wealth she attached herself to - your girl learned a hell of alot from these ruthless men - she was one smart cookie - a LAMB she was not for lambs DO NOT run with wolves - how many times had she heard these powerful men state "the money is there for the taking, and if you don't get hold of it then someone else will" - duly noted - Mrs Onassis was no fool - she knew what this world was about - THIS world is about money and sex - every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every year of our lives we are surrounded by the evidence of money and sex - LOVE is not always apparent - don't fault your girl too harshly for playing the game so extraordinarily well - Onassis was a classic example and the epitome of the worldly man - a real "sell your soul" kinda guy - "what profiteth a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul?" - in this case, the player got played - who knows what really went down during that marriage? - the things we all know are superficial, surface type things - what sort of intrigue and suspense lurked in the bottom 2/3rds of that fascinating ice berg? - SOMETHING mind blowing was going on - something on she and him knew about, perhaps - something to embolden her to such lengths that she carried out her role without nary a concern and with nerves of steel - chick excelled and rose to the occasion, exploiting the benefits of the marriage to her own delight BECAUSE SHE COULD - for some reason - like I said, who knows what really went down during that association - who knows just how much of a TARGET she became after her first husband's "assassination" - who knows? - the Kennedy's? - they KNOW - fascinating how Christina O lost her brother, mother, and father in such a short length of time whilst Caroline lost her father, mother, brother in such a long length of time - your girl Jackie was slickly self-made - amassed a 200 million dollar fortune by essentially not much more than association with powerful money men - the silly son's of bitches calling her "cunt" in every other breath would have done much better by grabbing a pen and pad to take notes! - excellent read about the whole saga: "NEMESIS" by Peter Evans - that is all

by Anonymousreply 192April 2, 2018 3:34 PM

She was stupid to go to doctors in the first place because of nothing more than a lump and she was even stupider to accept the hopeless 'diagnosis'. Obviously she just wanted to die.

by Anonymousreply 193April 2, 2018 5:31 PM

R181 No that would be Kim Kardashian. That whore has a nearly $1Billion dollar estate to her name that she made in just under a decade. She and her siblings have their mother Kris Jenner to thank for that.

by Anonymousreply 194April 2, 2018 8:24 PM

Jackie will always be a goddess to me. Not a whore. And to most people- hell, at her auction people would pay $1000 for a book.

by Anonymousreply 195April 2, 2018 8:28 PM

Jackie and Lee had so many opportunities to make money on their own. I could have seen them with their own perfume and jewelry lines. They would have made a fortune. All they had to do was brand themselves. Who wouldn't have wanted to smell like Jacqueline Kennedy? Or worn replicated jewelry by a former first lady? They could had their own income streams completely independent of men. They both could have done so much for how privileged they were. Their stuff could have sold in department stores nationwide. They would've been set. What a waste.

by Anonymousreply 196April 2, 2018 8:31 PM

Tell Lee, Jackie was set.

by Anonymousreply 197April 2, 2018 8:35 PM

r196 They were not working women like Liz or even Sophia. They didn't really have the diligence or business sense to start a perfume empire despite their fame.

by Anonymousreply 198April 2, 2018 8:45 PM

R198 But you do agree that they could've had a huge financial success on their hands had they surrounded themselves with the right people and went for it? Jackie and Lee would have been a huge success. That would have been one successful business.

by Anonymousreply 199April 2, 2018 9:08 PM

All Jackie ever had to do was write a book, but she wouldn't even do that, so...... To capitalize on her name, likeness, or notoriety was unthinkable to her and beneath her sense of her own dignity. She had a serious facade to hold together, remember?

by Anonymousreply 200April 2, 2018 9:14 PM

r199 The thing is in the business world, one seldom get to work with trustworthy people. There are capable people, yes, but most of them are snakes. They could backstab the boss and seize her profits - perhaps even at the cost of ruining the brand - if she doesn't have what it takes exert continuous control over them. Liz was a skilled entrepreneur. She knew her business and the legal side of things as well. Or her business-partners/advisors/lawyers whatnot could have robbed her of White Diamond and its profits a million times over. Look at what happened to Debbie Reynolds in running a simple hotel in Vegas. Jackie probably knew her own limitations and never went the businesswoman route - she had fame, butwas just not trained to tackle something this difficult.

r200 If Jackie wrote a tell-all, it could backfire and cheapen her image as the immaculate American society matron. Her luxurious life is depended upon her image entirely, so she probably didn't want to risk that.

by Anonymousreply 201April 2, 2018 9:55 PM

The closest Jackie came to writing a book were the recorded interviews she gave to Arthur Schlesinger in 1964, which Caroline agreed to release on CD.

by Anonymousreply 202April 2, 2018 9:59 PM

"She supposedly loved Maurice Tempelsman...but ultimately wouldn't marry him because he was Jewish."

She didn't marry Tempelsman because he was already married. Yes, Jackie's devoted "companion" in her later years was a married man. And people actually REVERE this greedy, self-absorbed, entitled woman who was involved with a married man? I never could understand the Jackie worship. She was such a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 203April 2, 2018 10:28 PM

Who sucked more cock? Jackie or Nancy Reagan?

by Anonymousreply 204April 2, 2018 10:33 PM

[quote]She didn't marry Tempelsman because he was already married

He would have divorced his wife in a second for her. Jackie was the hold-out.

by Anonymousreply 206April 2, 2018 11:03 PM

Onassis was a toad but he was a hot fuck with a big hard dick. He tore up tons of snatch and Jackie enjoyed the ride. Don't kid yourselves. The money was great and so were the fucks.

by Anonymousreply 207April 2, 2018 11:10 PM

R157 Nothing but an expensive whore.

by Anonymousreply 208April 2, 2018 11:11 PM

FYI, Maurice's wife had agreed to a "get", but still he did not obtain one.

A get or gett (/ɡɛt/; Hebrew: גט‎, plural gittin גיטין) is a divorce document in Jewish religious law, which must be presented by a husband to his wife to effectuate their divorce.

by Anonymousreply 209April 3, 2018 12:26 AM

"He would have divorced his wife in a second for her. Jackie was the hold-out."

So she was satisfied with boinking a married man? What a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 210April 3, 2018 12:40 AM

Maurice's wife wouldn't get divorced.

by Anonymousreply 211April 3, 2018 12:42 AM

Well, Elizabeth was a whore fucking Eddie when Debbie had 2 babies.

by Anonymousreply 212April 3, 2018 12:44 AM

Ew to the gross suggestions of branding a perfume. There is simply no way to explain Jackie’s culture to you people. Stick with the Kardashians and reality tv and drive thru coffee.

by Anonymousreply 213April 3, 2018 12:52 AM

^^^ Well, smell [bold]that[/bold] one!

by Anonymousreply 214April 3, 2018 12:55 AM

Years later, Elizabeth would apologize formally to Debbie on the set of These Old Broads, where she played the "in-bed" ex-mantrap who apologize to Debbie's character for stealing the husband. Elizabeth did it for very little money, it was mostly to help Carrie Fisher survive a career low point. Soon afterwards, both old broads would find themselves stranded in 911 New York city, where they shacked up in Elizabeth's suite amidst the chaos and finally put the past behind them. Elizabeth's grandson dated Debbie's granddaughter Billy in the 00s, prompting Carrie to do a one woman show poking fun of the two families' past ties.

Elizabeth even managed to be forgiven by Sybil in the end, as they reconciled at Roddy McDowell's sickbed. Sybil is one classy broad but I'm sure Elizabeth also has much in redeemable qualities despite being a serial homewrecker like Audrey and Grace and Marilyn and most of her megastar peers.

by Anonymousreply 215April 3, 2018 1:00 AM

R215, Sybil "was", not "is". She died in 2013.

by Anonymousreply 216April 3, 2018 1:09 AM

r216 Thanks for the correction. Classy lady, and a self-made businesswoman in control of her own professional and love life. May she rest in peace.

by Anonymousreply 217April 3, 2018 1:13 AM

"Maurice's wife wouldn't get divorced."

So what? Surely Jackie could have found a "companion" who DIDN'T have a wife. Both she and Templesman were obviously ok with the fact that he was married to another woman. They were both such assholes.

by Anonymousreply 218April 3, 2018 1:56 AM

Maurice and his wife didn't even live together, it was a marriage in name only. He might as well have been single.

by Anonymousreply 219April 3, 2018 2:07 AM

"He might as well have been single."

But he wasn't. He and Jackie were scum.

by Anonymousreply 220April 3, 2018 2:09 AM

WTF r220. Are you posting from your Victorian fainting couch? "He was MARRIED! The SCANDAL of it all!"

by Anonymousreply 221April 3, 2018 2:10 AM

"Are you posting from your Victorian fainting couch? "He was MARRIED! The SCANDAL of it all!"

Just sayin' it's wrong to fuck somebody's else's husband. And it's wrong to fuck someone other than your spouse. Apparently Jackie's fans have a lot of excuses to make it seem like it was ok for her to fuck her rich diamond merchant companion, even though he was married. Jackie's fans are pretty loony.

by Anonymousreply 223April 3, 2018 2:20 AM

R213 Money is money. Jackie branding herself for a perfume and jewelry line would have been a much dignified way of generating and earning her own wealth. Weather then whoring you're pussy out for marriage for money. She would have made way more money annually then her $26 million dollar Onasiss settlement. And it would've been a successful business to boot.

by Anonymousreply 224April 3, 2018 2:21 AM

How you make your money is more important than having it. You’ll see.

by Anonymousreply 225April 3, 2018 2:23 AM

In her brief job as an editor, Jackie got Michael Jackson to write a book which she edited. It was devoid of juicy details and Jackie was not enthusiastic about it because she knew little about his music. When she met him she almost called Animal Rescue because she stated his many pets lived in deplorable conditions. The book was a best seller but there was no lost love between Jackie and Michael who were simply using each other. When he refused to allow the book to go into a second printing she was very unhappy with him. The book was later reprinted after he died.

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by Anonymousreply 226April 3, 2018 2:29 AM

r223 circumstances are different for different people.

by Anonymousreply 227April 3, 2018 2:29 AM

OMG r224 you really are an idiot. Jackie Kennedy Onassis hawking here own perfume line? Are you mental? That would've been totally undignified for a woman of Jackie's circumstances, and the times. She was not an entertainer like Liz.

by Anonymousreply 228April 3, 2018 2:30 AM

If Jackie had tried to turn herself into a "brand" in the 60s or 70s, as people do today, she would've been raked over the coals. That sort of thing just wasn't done back then.

by Anonymousreply 229April 3, 2018 2:34 AM

Jackie never would have branded herself or written a memoir. She knew her star power, and the mystique of her husband’s memory,rested in her silence. That’s how she was able to land a billionaire, get a part time job as a book editor, and get the most powerful financiers in the world to grow her inheritance. If she had written a book or hosted a talk show it would have diluted her “brand.”

In contrast Liz’s starpower was based on her soap opera life, splashed in headlines in the tabloids. Doing press and selling perfume only strengthened that image.

by Anonymousreply 230April 3, 2018 2:37 AM

These thread is infuriating as all get out. Is this STILL a gay message board, or what?

Let's review a few basic facts, kids. Because it's obvious the Peanut Gallery is leading on the way on this discussion, and it's inexcusable.

Jackie wasn't a famewhore. She never gave a single interview after Kennedy's death. Never posed for a publicity picture. Nothing. All of her publicity was generated by public interest.

That's what you call an ICON, dears. Most of the trash that passes for stars today couldn't NEVER get by on that.

Kardashians? PLEASE. Jackie left skidmarks in her underwear that were classier than that bunch. Don't even TRY to desecrate a Liz and Jackie discussion with bringing in pure TRASH.

On Jackie, Carly Simon said she was completely down to Earth. She traveled with no entourage, except to big events. Carly and her would dine downtown in the City frequently in the 1980's And yes, she worked at Doubleday. Not the long hours, but she worked on making high profiled deals and editing their works. Carly said Jackie personally edited all of Carly's kids books, and that she had the genuine gift of language and how to shape a story.

Liz Taylor is another fucking magnificent human being who managed to parlay herself into a brand in a dignified way. Her AIDS activism has yet to be matched, and probably never will be. Someone who knew how to work a fucking room, whether it was a film set, a department store or a congressional hearing. The minute she walked into a room, she OWNED it. That's star power, kids. Her private life only added to the mystique and the allure.

The banal mediocrity being presented in today's entertainment word just doesn't even compare. These ladies were the Rubens and Picassos of the Entertainment world. Learn from them. They are the Masters.

by Anonymousreply 231April 3, 2018 2:42 AM

r231 raises some very good points. Despite being so different, both Jackie and Elizabeth know how to best present themselves to the public. Jackie's elegant poise and Elizabeth's glamorous extravagance both worked to their advantages in the end. Amazing feat, that.

by Anonymousreply 232April 3, 2018 3:12 AM

The Kennedys, including Jackie, were thieves. There was a time when I heard so many stories from different sources. Ethel's kids were the worst. Stupid shit like if they were out on someone's boat, they'd walk off with the gear - once walked off with the entire boat's rain slickers. Going around Hyannis, they'd just use anyone's slip, like using someone else's reserved parking. Cheap ass as well, expect the name to carry more value than it does - still try to pull the "It's an honor to sell to us" crap. The story about Jackie, I read, didn't hear about, but she was the guest of some millionaire, and just dropped a gold cigarette lighter into her purse. Her host saw her do it, and tried to shame her into sneaking it back where she found it, but she was implacable and walked off with it. According to Peter Lawford's wife, Jack Kennedy used to take cash from Lawford's dressing room. Lawford was making decent money as a movie actor, but palming $750 in cash was a lot in those days, and Kennedy did it routinely when he visited Lawford, til Lawford stopped having any money around. Also one time when Lawford was struggling financially, he got a glimpse of his son's trust fund check and it was 750k. One of Lawford's nephews invited him to lunch in L.A. It turned out to be a group thing. Lawford and his wife ordered soup and tea, as the restaurant was expensive. At the end of the lunch, the Kennedy nephew toasted Lawford, thanking him for hosting the group to lunch. Lawford turned white. He actually had to negotiate terms with the restaurant owner.

They're scum. Scum scum scum. The only good I've heard about any of them is Teddy Jr. People are touting the young Kennedy as presidential calibre now, but it'll take a lot to convince me. They're trash.

by Anonymousreply 233April 3, 2018 3:14 AM

So I guess peddling you're pussy is much better than branding yourself and making an honest living doing something tasteful.

Got it.

by Anonymousreply 236April 3, 2018 3:58 AM

[quote]R211 Maurice's wife wouldn't get divorced.

You hardly need a spouse's agreement to divorce them.

by Anonymousreply 237April 3, 2018 4:01 AM

[quote]r218 Surely Jackie could have found a "companion" who DIDN'T have a wife.

Maurice Tempelsman wasn't just her regular fuck, he was her financial advisor....the one who turned her 25 mil. inheritence from Onasis into 100 mil. over the years.

Once again, Jackie was peddling her pu$$y to the money men.

by Anonymousreply 238April 3, 2018 4:07 AM

Ethel and Bobby’skids got pretty bad. After Bobby died, Ethel just gave up parenting and disciplining them (there were a ton of them too). But most of them seemed to have pulled out of it and became decent adults.

by Anonymousreply 239April 3, 2018 4:11 AM

[quote]231 These thread is infuriating as all get out... it's obvious the Peanut Gallery is leading on the way on this discussion, and it's inexcusable.

Hear, here!

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by Anonymousreply 240April 3, 2018 4:16 AM

Jackie "branding herself" in the 1970s, haha! In those times, it would have been disgraceful and made her a laughingstock.

Hell, Halston lost pretty much everything when he sold a line of affordable clothing to JCPenney. In those days, that was all it took to end his career.

by Anonymousreply 241April 3, 2018 4:32 AM

Didn't Joan collins have a line of jeans in the 70s? And didn't Zsa Zsa Gabor have a perfume line during the 70s as well? Not to mention Gloria Vanderbilt.

by Anonymousreply 242April 3, 2018 4:38 AM

Drunks, sluts inbreeding, whores, drunkards. I'm glad I'm not a Kennedy

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by Anonymousreply 243April 3, 2018 4:45 AM

r242, read r231. Jackie was JACKIE O, not an entertainer or some trashy media celeb like the Gabors. God, you're truly fucking retarded.

by Anonymousreply 244April 3, 2018 4:48 AM

Liz was practically a dwarf and covered in black hair. Her bush must have been as big as her pussy.

by Anonymousreply 245April 3, 2018 4:51 AM

R244 you need to calm down this is supposed to be a fun gossipy thread. No need to be nasty it's not that serious. Branding was just an idea.

by Anonymousreply 246April 3, 2018 4:52 AM

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by Anonymousreply 247April 3, 2018 4:54 AM

To the guy who thinks Jackie should have put out jewelry or perfume under her name to make money:

The only time she both lacked money and had major fame was 1963-1968. And if she'd tried to capitalize on the Kennedy name or fame, the Kennedy's would have given her holy hell for it. They still hoped to put another Kennedy in the oval office, and if she wanted to keep collecting that generous allowance, she needed to refrain from doing anything they'd consider bad publicity or just unbecoming the dignity of her position.

No wonder she married Onassis, if he told them to go fuck themselves, and they'd ask him for the dildo.

by Anonymousreply 248April 3, 2018 4:54 AM

r246 you have no sense of history or the circumstances of Jackie's fame.

by Anonymousreply 249April 3, 2018 4:54 AM

[quote]R251 Jackie "branding herself" in the 1970s, haha! In those times, it would have been disgraceful and made her a laughingstock.

She was lucky she got out of the Onasis escapade with her public profile in tact. At the time, America was AGHAST she went off with this nefarious, toady type almost twice her age. (Onasis had a really sleazy reputation for "ruthless and unsavory business practices".)

I was watching this documentary on her, and was surprised to learn Onasis slept in the White House THE VERY NIGHT OF KENNEDY FUNERAL (!!) I don't think the public knew that...but [italic] gee willikers ! ! [/italic]

SEE 32:48 MARK:

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by Anonymousreply 250April 3, 2018 5:00 AM

I'm done with the branding talk. By the way I wasn't born until the late eighties. Seeing celebrities brand themselves and make a tone of money is what I've grown up seeing my entire life. Maybe I don't understand the culture and background Jackie and Lee came from. But after knowing Lee tried her hand at acting. I thought well why not brand yourself to earn a living. I guess their really is something tacky about a former first lady doing something like branding herself for a perfume and jewelry line. I'll keep it with the celebrities from now on instead of historical figures like Jacqueline Kennedy.

I got it.

by Anonymousreply 251April 3, 2018 5:05 AM

[quote]R251 I wasn't born until the late eighties. Seeing celebrities brand themselves and make a tone of money is what I've grown up seeing my entire life. Maybe I don't understand the culture and background Jackie and Lee came from. But after knowing Lee tried her hand at acting. I thought well why not brand yourself to earn a living.

Don't worry about it, little one. [italic]Jackie[/italic] perfume would have went through the ROOF, and you would have marketed it into the scent of the CENTURY, but something like that just wasn't done in her circle back then. Even in the 70s and 80s etc. she was a product of her childhood, and society women didn't really work back then, unless MAYBE as a decorator, or in some kind of social work.

She also had the weight of being a prim, beloved First Lady to drag around behind her. (Not that I'm particularly fond of her.) Her sister Lee could get away with more, such as trying her hand at acting, because she wasn't a national figure that at one time typified "dignity".

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by Anonymousreply 252April 3, 2018 5:34 AM

Many thought Jackie's legacy was cheapened when the auction of her possessions was held after her death. John, Jr. was against having the auction, Caroline was all for it. Though the auction garnered millions, her children only received roughly $100K each, after Jackie's NY estate taxes were settled.

by Anonymousreply 253April 3, 2018 6:10 AM

We doubt that Jackie was boning ancient fugly Maurice.

Nor indeed did Maurice have any sexual interest in antique Jackie, at least if he was str8.

Fish are not interested in sex, only money, and for that fish it went triple!

by Anonymousreply 255April 3, 2018 10:09 AM

R192 here again - I had to come back to impart one final tidbit - First though let me say that the whole Bouvier/Kennedy/Onassis saga in extraordinarily fascinating for me - it reads better than ANY fiction every produced - so much so that I have lost count of the many books I've read and documentaries I've viewed in the past - Anyway, the final tidbit: Years ago, I was watching some sort of documentary about Onassis, himself, on television - this was not your run of the mill, notably popular documentary, and in fact, I only saw it this one time and never again since - I cannot even find it on YouTube - At issue is the ending of this documentary where Jackie was shown leaving Onassis' funeral near the water surrounding Skorpios - she may have been walking on a dock - I'm not sure - Anyway, this was one of the final scenes of the documentary, and the footage was utterly a propos considering the facts of the whole matter - picture this as I am describing it as the footage revealed her entire attitude regarding the whole affair - she is walking along this dock near the water presumably to leave the island after the internment - on either side of her are two of Onassis' flunkies (you'd recognize them from photos of that time) - they each have one of her arms, propping her up while she was walking - the camera catches it ALL - she is absolutely GRIEF STRICKEN - the pain is unmistakably etched in her face behind those large dark glasses - she is biting her bottom lip the pain is so great - THEN!!!! - all of the sudden, one of men holding her up turns to her, says something inaudible to her as there was no accompanying audio to the footage - and THEN!!!!! - in response to whatever the man said to her, she broke out into a HUGE smile and began shuddering with laughter! - I SHIT YOU NOT! - It had all been an act - she was essentially clowning for the camera and evidently didn't give a good Goddamn who knew it! - I sat there after seeing this absolutely valuable gem of footage and said to myself "WOOOOOOOOOW! She finally showed herself and didn't care that she was finally seen!" I'm STILL amazed by that footage

Her last time inside the Pink House on Skorpios revealed who she was as well, and to me it revealed that she had a power that no one knew about - memory serving, she was in the company of Christina that final time inside the house - as she was leaving, she side tracked to pick up a centuries old priceless antique - the small Jade buddah which had been the most prized possession of Onassis' considerable art collection - she picked it up and walked out of the house with it in her hands without saying a word! - she had something on Onassis and therefore his surviving daughter, I have no doubt

by Anonymousreply 256April 3, 2018 2:04 PM

A picture is worth 1,000 words.

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by Anonymousreply 257April 3, 2018 6:03 PM

R256 she was probably thinking about her settlement. That would put a smile on anyone's face.

by Anonymousreply 258April 3, 2018 6:06 PM

Jackie called Valentino when she was still in New York to get the outfit she’s wearing in r257’s link ready for her to wear when she got off the plane with Christina.

by Anonymousreply 259April 3, 2018 7:00 PM

The caption is incorrect at R257. That is Ari's funeral, not his son Alexander's.

by Anonymousreply 260April 3, 2018 7:34 PM

Jackie appears to be a bit perturbed at JFK, Jr. during Ari's funeral.

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by Anonymousreply 261April 3, 2018 7:41 PM

I admire her for one thing, it's that like Wallis Simpson before her, she managed to turn middling looks into worldwide fame and serious wealth.

Nature intended her to be... maybe 6/10 in general, maybe 7/10 when young. Not a great figure although she had nice long legs, face too broad and angular for most definitions of beauty. But through obsessive lifelong attention to her appearance, she managed to convince the world she was an 8, and some silly fangurls that she was a 10.

by Anonymousreply 262April 3, 2018 8:13 PM

Fangurls, you must be joking.

by Anonymousreply 263April 3, 2018 8:26 PM

R261 She was a great deal perturbed because Ari's sisters had elbowed her from the front position directly behind the coffin. His sisters and Chris too k that position and made Jacqueline and family walk behind them. Unheard of to do such a thing to a widow.

by Anonymousreply 264April 3, 2018 9:08 PM

If Tina Onassis Niarchos were still alive, Christina would have had her positioned ahead of Jackie at Ari's funeral.

by Anonymousreply 265April 3, 2018 9:34 PM

Selling her “pussy”, unlike that inspiring Kim K. I guess you’ve never seen the video.

It’s all fun and games, but then the kids grow up and are pampered idiots who lose the fortune they have to split three ways- if it wasn’t spent on their lifestyle; and no one of substance- not just wealth, but kind humble and honorable- will go near that family let alone marry in. I think the branding nouveau riche don’t understand the long game.

by Anonymousreply 267April 4, 2018 12:20 AM

The Kennedys (and by and large their spouses) were one of the most fucked up, dysfunctional clans that ever existed. Joe was was a piece of work; totally corrupt, totally ruthless, willing to do anything for power and money. He taught that to his kids, too; do anything to win, winning is everything. He also taught his sons to fuck as much as possible with pretty much anybody.

What happened to Rosemary Kennedy, the "lost" Kennedy daughter was truly ghastly. She was brain damaged at birth due to oxygen deprivation. She was being born with only a nurse in attendance; the nurse could have delivered her but it was standard for wealthy families to have a doctor present at a birth and the doctor was detained due to an influenza epidemic. So the nurse told Rose Kennedy to hold her legs together and to prevent the baby from being born kept pushing the baby's head back into the birth canal. Sounds horrific. The result was that Rosemary grew into a "slow" young woman who had sudden, sometimes violent outbursts. She was, however, very pretty, the prettiest of the Kennedy sisters. Her father was ashamed of her and wanted to do something about her behavior so he arranged for her to have an operation to calm her down, some new operation called a "lobotomy." It calmed her down, alright. It crippled her for life; before she had problems but after the lobotomy she was totally disabled for life. Of all the Kennedy tragedies I think that one was the worst.

As for Jackie, she came from a pretty fucked up tribe herself. Her family was replete with mental illness and alcoholism. She was not what you would call mentally stable; she spent wildly and was prone to melancholy and depression. When asked to describe her in one word, JFK said "fey." She was always greedy and totally self absorbed. As a First Lady, she championed the arts and redecorated the White House and always presented a stylish appearance but she didn't give a rat's ass about social issues of the day. I doubt she even knew underprivileged people existed. She was a first class, unrepentant snot.

by Anonymousreply 268April 4, 2018 12:51 AM

Caroline is as money grubbing as they come. She's put out a few books designed to pretty much just rip off the public, like a collection of poems her mother loved, or she loved. How cheap can you get. Put a bunch of public domain stuff together, say "Mom liked it." = free money.

by Anonymousreply 269April 4, 2018 1:08 AM

At least Caroline isn't a whore. Who cares if she's cheap unless you are friends, which I doubt?

by Anonymousreply 270April 4, 2018 1:44 AM

[quote] She never gave a single interview after Kennedy's death.

She didn't give any public interviews but did give historian William Manchester an extended interview about that day in Dallas when he was researching his book The Death of a President. He quoted her in the book but the entire interview, which was audiotaped, wasn't released until just a few years ago.

Rosemary was slow and difficult and was sent to a convent school. She started slipping out at night, drinking and having sex. Joe didn't know how to handle the situation. For years the rumors circulated that she was starting to talk about sexual molestation she had allegedly suffered as a child and that's why he had her lobotomized but there's no proof of that. She was just generally acting out and uncontrollable -- unacceptable then for a prominent political family.

by Anonymousreply 271April 4, 2018 4:45 AM

Do you think Jackie owned a vibrator?

I just can't see it....

by Anonymousreply 272April 4, 2018 5:20 AM

We know nothing about the First Ladies' sexual proclivities, except for Nancy Reagan and her love of sucking cock.

by Anonymousreply 273April 4, 2018 6:03 AM

The only thing I can say in Joe and Rose's favor is that they may not have known what a lobotomy would do to their daughter. The doctors who did those horrible operations were very unrealistic about what it would do, they sold the operations by promising that the victim would be placid and cooperative, and otherwise be unchanged. So it's possible that Joe and/or Rose Kennedy may have genuinely thought that the lobotomy would help their wayward daughter, it's possible that there was no intent to harm on their part.

Of course the doctors who did the operations didn't have any intent to harm either, not that that relieves them of any responsibility for all the lives they ruined.

by Anonymousreply 274April 4, 2018 6:09 AM

[quote]r273 We know nothing about the First Ladies' sexual proclivities, except for Nancy Reagan and her love of sucking cock.

Well, she had to find SOME way to compete in Hollywood....

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by Anonymousreply 275April 4, 2018 6:22 AM

Rosemary was running wild and had to be controlled. The majority of lobotomies were performed on woman, who of course had to be controlled. It is no longer an acceptable medical procedure. It was still a largely experimental procedure when Joe subjected Rosemary to it. Experimental but effective.

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by Anonymousreply 276April 4, 2018 6:25 AM

Why did the Auchincloss family get mixed up with these arrivistes? Commandeered their classy Farm and then those Kennedys smashed the Newport crystal.

by Anonymousreply 277April 4, 2018 6:31 AM

How, R277?

An Auchinsloss had a stepdaughter who needed to marry for money, and the Kennedys had a whore of a son who wanted a wife who'd marry for money. If the Auchinslosses objected, they could have found her a better catch.

by Anonymousreply 278April 4, 2018 6:44 AM

My God. That Wikipedia article sounds like the surgeon opened the front of Rosemary's skull while she was still awake and then kept slicing away sections of her prefrontal cortex until her responses to his questions became incoherent.

"After the lobotomy, it quickly became apparent that the procedure was not successful. Kennedy's mental capacity diminished to that of a two-year-old child. She could not walk or speak intelligibly and was incontinent.[19]"

Wow.

by Anonymousreply 279April 4, 2018 7:13 AM

^ Your, not you're, I know, I know, sorry.

by Anonymousreply 281April 4, 2018 7:20 AM

R274, Joe had the lobotomy performed on Rosemary without informing Rose or anyone else until after it was done. Did he have a reason to shut her up?

by Anonymousreply 282April 4, 2018 7:29 AM

We'll never know what Joe Kennedy intended, R282. Maybe he wanted to shut her up or shut her down, maybe he thought that he was providing his daughter with cutting-edge treatment for mental illness. He's been dead for decades, and didn't leave anything behind to show the world what the hell he thought he was doing.

by Anonymousreply 283April 4, 2018 7:40 AM

Lobotomies were performed with the patients awake. Brain imaging didn't exist. Doctors would probe, asking the patients questions as they worked. They wanted to cut only what they needed and used vocal cues from the patients to guide them.

by Anonymousreply 284April 4, 2018 7:46 AM

I have a friend writing a musical on Leucotomy and I shouldn't say much more but it's gonna be YUGE. It's not gothic or Sweeney Todd-ish but it will have a Miss Saigon kind of helicopter moment.

by Anonymousreply 285April 4, 2018 8:10 AM

Baroness Fiona von Thyssen, the then girlfriend of Alexander Onassis, also offers some insight into the true character of Jackie - the following exchange between the two women occurred at the hospital in 1973 after Alexander crashed his plane and lay dying, being kept alive by life support systems in order for Christina to make her way back to say her goodbye - as she tells it, she was sitting in a chair in a waiting area in the hospital lost in her own grief and devastation when Jackie came to take a seat next to her - she said that Jackie offered no condolence or concern for her at all, rather Jackie had one question to ask her in that hospital amid the tragedy therein - Jackie got right to the point by stating that she knew Onassis was planning to divorce her and likewise, she knew that both Ari and Alexander had discussed the impending divorce among themselves - Had Alexander ever mentioned to Fiona a divorce settlement FIGURE she inquired - von Thyssen said she was shocked considering the circumstances, but she lied by stating that she knew nothing of the details concerning that situation and that Jackie's query was a question that she should be asking her husband and not her - Jackie agreed and casually walked away as casually she had strode to sit next to the woman - one can imagine the possibility of Jackie saying to herself "FUUUUUUUUCK!!" as she walked away.....

She knew when to strike, and typically that was a time of vulnerability experienced by her intended - initially, Christina was driven in a car with only two other people during the funeral of her father and those two people were Jackie and Ted Kennedy - How did Jackie and Ted manage to get her in that car with them - so they're riding behind the car carrying the casket when all the sudden their car comes to a sudden stop, the back door flies open, and Christina jumps out storming to the car directly behind which was carrying her Aunts - the reason is known - Ted Kennedy had turned around from his place in the front seat of that car and insisted they begin negotiations on a settlement figure for Jackie right then stating "Now, it's time to take care of Jackie" - So extremely brazen of them both, circling that woman like sharks

I am sure that Jackie O had her redeeming qualities - I am sure that she loved her children, loved her first husband and some members of his family as well as her own - she may have even been a good woman in other respects, no doubt - Even so, and for whatever reason, she has absolutely NO LOVE for Aristotle Onassis, his children, or his family in general - God only knows what was really happening during that whole affair - For example, there are those in the know from that time period who INSIST that it was Onassis who orchestrated those famous naked pictures of Jackie taken on Skorpios and then sold to Larry Flynt over at Hustler magazine - Were these two married people locked in some sort of power struggle that only they knew the details therein? - Did she get him before he got her? - Jackie Onassis behaved in such a way for the entirety of the marriage as if she was a woman who held a hell of a hand, and played her cards expertly when the time came for her to do so - when giving that interview to William Manchester in 1964, she is quoted as saying "Anyone who ever comes out against me will look like a rat......unless I run off with Eddie Fisher haha" - She definitely knew how to play hard ball, and she definitely knew her own strengths

by Anonymousreply 286April 4, 2018 1:37 PM

Rose Kennedy (mother) was very up front in her biography about the damage done to her daughter, basically saying the daughter they knew was gone forever. She seemed very saddened by it. I can believe Joe did it behind her back or wasn’t up front about it. Lobotomies were somewhat routine back then and definitely were oversold as a cure to mental issues.

by Anonymousreply 288April 4, 2018 1:52 PM

Why do people keep saying Caroline is a greedy money gruber like her mother. How? We barely see Caroline and it not like she has to earn a living. When she was becoming an ambassador she had to release tax forms and that revealed she had an estate valued at over $500 million dollars. Are her books generating that much of a profit for her? I've never got the greed part when it comes to Caroline. Please fill me in.

Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 289April 4, 2018 3:50 PM

There's nothing wrong with Caroline. Just bitchy DL queens- and you know she would never give 1 fuck about this site.

by Anonymousreply 290April 4, 2018 3:55 PM

A sister commented once upon seeing a photo of Jackie with her friends: "Looks at her with those Jews....no wonder Rose will have nothing to do with her!"

by Anonymousreply 291April 4, 2018 4:32 PM

Jackie was very smart to keep her distance from most of the Kennedys.

by Anonymousreply 292April 4, 2018 4:35 PM

DL has completely changed my opinion of the kennedy's. And Jackie. I've learned so much. I guess these weren't good people after all. If what you all day is true.

by Anonymousreply 293April 4, 2018 4:45 PM

No, Rose was not opposed to the Palestinian people.

by Anonymousreply 295April 4, 2018 8:07 PM

[quote]The banal mediocrity being presented in today's entertainment word just doesn't even compare. These ladies were the Rubens and Picassos of the Entertainment world. Learn from them. They are the Masters.

JFC. Dial that shit [italic]down[/italic] !

by Anonymousreply 296April 5, 2018 12:12 AM

"She started slipping out at night, drinking and having sex."

How in the hell would she have been able to do that with her family keeping a close eye on her at all times to avoid embarrassment? In pictures with her father he always is holding her arm in a tight grip. I doubt poor Rosemary Kennedy was "slipping out at night and having sex." I think she probably died a virgin.

by Anonymousreply 297April 5, 2018 2:50 AM

She was furiously masturbating 24/7- the old man couldn't stand it anymore.

by Anonymousreply 298April 5, 2018 3:07 AM

LOL. Rosemary actually was drinking and "gettin down" on the sly. She was also a smoker. It started when she was in convent school abroad which is where she first got busted. She was having sex with strange men. Don't buy into the "poor, mentally retarded Rosemary" thing. She was actually just "slow" and unable to keep up with the others. She was learning disabled, but knew how to party. She was getting into too much trouble and proving herself to be a real family liability.

by Anonymousreply 299April 5, 2018 3:19 AM

[quote]my opinion of [bold]the kennedy's[/bold]

Seriously. Enough.

by Anonymousreply 300April 5, 2018 3:21 AM

"Seriously. Enough." - sorry, dude

by Anonymousreply 301April 5, 2018 3:30 AM

So what secrets of Ari did Jackie have?

by Anonymousreply 302April 5, 2018 3:38 AM

"LOL. Rosemary actually was drinking and "gettin down" on the sly."

You have yet to explain how she was able to do that with her family keeping a VERY close rein on her as they did. You're trying to make poor Rosemary out to be slut, which is really ridiculous, LOL.

by Anonymousreply 303April 5, 2018 4:04 AM

Joe Kennedy raised his children with MASSIVE double standards. He told the boys to fuck anything that could be held down, and expected his daughters to go to their marriage beds as virgins. He'd humiliate his sons if they didn't get a new woman every night, and consider his daughters worthless sluts if they snuck out of school to go on a date with their boyfriends. Rosemary wouldn't have had to do much to earn his ire, in fact, she'd just have to behave like a normal young woman.

He really was an awful human being, although there's no evidence that he knew what the lobotomy would do to the poor girl.

by Anonymousreply 304April 5, 2018 4:27 AM

Jackie was not Jewish (Vidal was wrong) and she wasn't Black.

by Anonymousreply 305April 5, 2018 4:28 AM

All of these people sound like they we're trash. Jackie included.

by Anonymousreply 306April 5, 2018 5:14 AM

Rosemary fingering herself in church drove Joe crazy.

by Anonymousreply 307April 5, 2018 6:29 AM

R303 Seriously speaking, I was not "trying to make poor Rosemary out to be a slut." Comedic as my choice of words were, they were still the wrong words to use. I assert that regardless of any mental incapacity, the young woman was still just that. A young human female, and at some point her primal urges kicked in just like any other normal woman. Historians and authors have indicated that this became a major concern for the family. You had to read between the lines. At any rate, it must be said that even though the family is as famous for its achievements as it is for its notoriety, the members of that family are still human beings with feelings. If any one of them were to read what we've typed in this thread, then I'm sure they'd be moved to emotion from sadness to anger considering what we've written. I speak for myself by offering an apology. Seriously. We forget that they are people too.

by Anonymousreply 308April 5, 2018 11:07 AM

We knew an eldersister hairdresser who once did Rose' hair in Palm Beach.

She gave her a $5 tip, but this was 50 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 309April 5, 2018 2:21 PM

Rose should have asked for her money back after slapping the woman.

by Anonymousreply 310April 5, 2018 3:34 PM

Did anyone ever go see and visit rosemary on a constant basis? Or did they just kinda forget about her. Because if so that's really sad and tragic.

by Anonymousreply 311April 5, 2018 8:39 PM

They just kind of forgot about her. Rose didn't visit her for 20 years, until JFK was campaigning. Rose hauled her ass over to Rosemary's assisted living facility for a photo op.

Everything I've read about Rose and Joe Kennedy is just loathsome. They were both awful people.

by Anonymousreply 312April 5, 2018 8:46 PM

Joe kennedy must have had some charms if Gloria Swanson was his adoring mistress.

by Anonymousreply 313April 5, 2018 8:53 PM

From what I've read, Eunice Kennedy Shriver was the one who paid the most attention to Rosemary, and visited her the most. And that her relationship with Rosemary got her interested in people with special needs, which led her to start the Special Olympics.

She seems to have been the most decent and stable of all Joe and Rose's children, for all her eccentricities.

by Anonymousreply 314April 5, 2018 9:05 PM

They were bringing Rosemary home to the Cape and Palm Beach to visit here and there beginning in the 1970's after the old man died in 1969.

by Anonymousreply 315April 6, 2018 12:12 AM

Was she still a whore after the lobotomy?

by Anonymousreply 316April 6, 2018 12:16 AM

Here's Rosemary a short while before the labotomy

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by Anonymousreply 317April 6, 2018 12:29 AM

R139, Try reading your post before posting. Your errors are plentiful.

by Anonymousreply 318April 6, 2018 9:36 AM

R162, Well, he also was married.

by Anonymousreply 319April 6, 2018 9:38 AM

Rosemary....before her dad decreed she needed to be toned down

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by Anonymousreply 320April 6, 2018 9:59 AM

Mama Rose liked her frosted blue eyeshadow

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by Anonymousreply 321April 6, 2018 10:05 AM

[quote]Lobotomies were somewhat routine back then

It was still very new and considered experimental and controversial in 1941.

by Anonymousreply 322April 6, 2018 10:07 AM

[quote]R313 Joe kennedy must have had some charms if Gloria Swanson was his adoring mistress.

I think he was financially backing her movies, and showering her with jewelry. So...

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by Anonymousreply 323April 6, 2018 10:09 AM

She talks about it here at the 08:35 mark... (though I'm sure this is the sanatized version.)

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by Anonymousreply 324April 6, 2018 10:17 AM

r323 Read her book. Joe was using her money to buy all of those things. He convinced her to let him be her money manager.

by Anonymousreply 325April 6, 2018 10:30 AM

When Joe had his stroke while in the pool, it's said that Rose just stood by and watched him struggle without calling for help. He ended up disabled.

Rose always put a dollar in the collection plate when it was passed at church.

by Anonymousreply 326April 6, 2018 11:00 AM

R323 Joe Kennedy and Gloria Swanson had one thing in common - MONEY! I believe it was in NYC that they first met with intent to discuss how she could maximize her earning potential as she had then become a free agent, or at least enjoying a great deal artistic freedom at her studio, United Artists. We all know where it went from there. It's true that all the expensive "gifts" which Kennedy showered on Swanson during their time together were actually being charged TO HER OWN ACCOUNTS! The man was really something else - When Swanson finally confronted him with the knowledge of what he had been doing to her all along, he looked her square in the eye, stood right up, and walked away without saying anything to her again. Hardcore - As we should all be able to see by now, there was always a USE or BE USED dynamic going on between all these people, and their one common interest regardless of anything else going on was MONEY!

by Anonymousreply 327April 6, 2018 1:21 PM

I guess with all of that corruption in the family. Karma wasn't going to allow them to have a nice life for long with all of the wealth and power they had. If everything said about Joe is true and you believe in karma. Then Joe's sins probably destroyed his family.

by Anonymousreply 328April 6, 2018 8:20 PM

Joe was sending Gloria flowers and jewelry, then having the bills sent to her accountant for payment.

by Anonymousreply 329April 6, 2018 8:39 PM

R429 That's lowdown. I guess he said I'm not spending my family's money on this whore.

by Anonymousreply 330April 6, 2018 9:13 PM

Rose Kennedy was a total whack job.

by Anonymousreply 331April 6, 2018 9:14 PM

Rose taught Rosemary to furiously masterbate. They both needed it somehow.

by Anonymousreply 333April 6, 2018 9:22 PM

No, no. For all intents and purposes, Kennedy WAS her accountant.....

by Anonymousreply 334April 6, 2018 9:40 PM

Eunice and Sargent Shriver seem like the only couple in that family whose marriage wasn’t a complete disaster. And the Kennedy brothers thought he was a wimp for not fucking around on his wife like Steve Smith or Peter Lawford.

by Anonymousreply 335April 7, 2018 3:35 AM

"Eunice and Sargent Shriver seem like the only couple in that family whose marriage wasn’t a complete disaster."

Which I wouldn't have expected, as I've always wondered if Eunice was really straight. She came pretty close to being a nun, but eventually married and had four or five kids.

She really did have an interesting life - growing up Kennedy, the Camelot presidency, the kids, the Special Olympics, and Arnold Schwarzenegger as a son-in-law.

by Anonymousreply 336April 7, 2018 4:16 AM

"The sins of the fathers shall be visited upon the sons." And the daughters too, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 337April 7, 2018 4:22 AM

"The Sins of the Father" - that's an actual title of a pretty good biography on JP Kennedy

by Anonymousreply 338April 7, 2018 2:58 PM

I've read that Jackie disliked Arnold S. intensely, and thought his movies were garbage because of all the gratuitous violence. She didn't want to attend his and Maria's wedding, but basically had to out of family loyalty.

by Anonymousreply 339April 7, 2018 3:07 PM

I don't blame Jackie for that.

by Anonymousreply 340April 7, 2018 3:55 PM

R339, Their wedding was in 1985. Was Arnold really that big a star yet?

by Anonymousreply 341April 7, 2018 4:04 PM

Joe, Sr. disliked actors, especially British actors. Then Pat goes and marries Peter Lawford.

by Anonymousreply 342April 7, 2018 4:07 PM

Terminator was in 85. I heard through the grapevine that neither wanted to get married until he'd proven he could make money. They did date quit awhile.

by Anonymousreply 343April 7, 2018 4:30 PM

I don't feel sorry for Jackie, having to marry for money, she did have options. She could have done what some women did and marry for love, and adjust herself to a different lifestyle, and found something she liked to do other than spend money. She had brains, an excellent career, and top-level contacts, she could have had a real career if she wanted to; not that she'd have the sort of fortune she gained through marriage, but she could have had her independence. She could have become a jewel thief, nobody'd suspect such a ladylike girl.

But she didn't want independence and she didn't want true love, she wanted shit-tons of money to spend. So she married for money twice and ended up independently wealthy because of it, I hope she was happy.

by Anonymousreply 344April 7, 2018 6:51 PM

Compulsive shoppers never seem happy. She certainly mellowed when she got older.

by Anonymousreply 345April 7, 2018 6:54 PM

People act like Jackie received $2.5 billion dollars in her Onasiss settlement. The settlement was only $26 million dollars. I know that's 1970s dollars. But still. How fare is $26 million dollars really going to get you with jackies crazy outlandish spending. And then there's the money she was stashing throughout the marriage before the settlement. So who knows, she was probably way wealthier than we'll ever know.

by Anonymousreply 346April 8, 2018 1:31 AM

What was the art work Jackie received in her Onasiss settlement? What kind of paintings were they? Curious.

by Anonymousreply 347April 8, 2018 1:34 AM

Jackie didnt need a fortune for her kids because they had large Kennedy trusts. So the grifting of Onassis was money for her own lifestyle.

by Anonymousreply 348April 8, 2018 1:36 AM

Her NY apartment was in a great building, but the decor was hardly grand. Very nice furniture and art, but that old slightly worn old -money look.

by Anonymousreply 349April 8, 2018 1:41 AM

I read Jackie was entitled to $120 million dollars from the Onasiss estate. But couldn't get it. As much as she loved money I'm surprised she didn't fight for that amount. I guess what she ended up with was enough for her.

by Anonymousreply 350April 8, 2018 1:43 AM

Jackie was such a cunt. It makes me fume when I think about Ann Lowe, the African American fashion designer who designed her magnificent wedding gown.

Jackie's mother Janet Lee Bouvier, hired Lowe to design and make the entire bridal party's outfits. Previously Lowe had designed her wedding dress. The dress Lowe designed for Jackie was of a traditional design and it was gorgeous. It got worldwide acclaim. But snotty Jackie disliked it. She wanted to more simplistic "modern" gown so as to complement her tall, slim figure (snort). But the Kennedy family wanted her to wear a more traditional look, so she wore Lowe's creation. When asked who made her gown, Jackie dismissively said it was made by "a colored woman."

What did Ann Lowe get for making Jacqueline Kennedy's wedding dress? Not much. There was a bad omen from the beginning. A flood in Lowe's Lexington Avenue workshop 10 days before the wedding ruined Jackie'sbridal gown and 9 of the bridal-party dresses. The designer and her staff worked through eight days (originally they spent eight weeks) to reconstruct the gowns and get them delivered on time. Instead of an estimated $700 profit, Lowe lost $2,200 on the project. And after the well publicized nuptials took place Lowe didn't even get public credit for her work. What a gyp! Lowe was a very talented designer. She never really got her due and she certainly gained nothing from making an iconic wedding gown for Jackie Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 351April 8, 2018 1:54 AM

Yeah Jackie set back the race 50 years and personally went out of her way to destroy any negro she ever met.

by Anonymousreply 352April 8, 2018 1:57 AM

R351 That's really sad. If that's true about Jackie I had know idea she was so ignorant. But then again she was a privileged white woman in Jim Crow America. So no surprise there.

by Anonymousreply 353April 8, 2018 2:04 AM

"Yeah Jackie set back the race 50 years and personally went out of her way to destroy any negro she ever met."

Oh shut up, you ass. She was a snob and a racist. Don't be so ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 354April 8, 2018 2:07 AM

R354 Calm down SJW. Go for a walk and forget all about your displaced anger.

by Anonymousreply 355April 8, 2018 2:14 AM

If i bought a couture gown and it was fitted and in the process of being made, and there was a flood, and my wedding date was pending, but the dress was lost, what are my responsibilities to the couturier and her shop? None. The shop can refund my money or the shop can make the dress again, if they can manage. Not publicising the dressmaker might have been quite standard for the time.

Jackie didn't like MLK, its true. Thought MLK was a hypocritical immoral man as he was a unfaithful husband and a substance abuser. And he was! Jackie would recognise this and not like it because JFK was the same.

by Anonymousreply 356April 8, 2018 2:24 AM

But Jackie was at MLK's funeral in Atlanta. So why did she go if she didn't like him?

MLK was no more immoral then the white men and women back then who were up holding Jim Crow and everything else wrong with America during that time. As fare as I'm concerned they couldn't touch MLK.

by Anonymousreply 357April 8, 2018 2:38 AM

Jackie went out of respect. Her true views were let slip to a journalist and not known for sometime, only revealed several years ago.

You seem to think everything needs to be binary. Jackie was a cunt but she had her strengths. One of the least likely flaws of Jackie was that she was a remarkable racist for her time. Please. JFK was flawed. MLK was flawed. As you admit. "no more immoral than...."

by Anonymousreply 358April 8, 2018 2:42 AM

R358, Jackie went at Coretta King's request via Bobby. She asked Bobby if Jackie might attend and he pitched the idea to Jackie. Bobby strongly suggested that Jackie be there in Atlanta as he was running for POTUS and it would make for good optics with black voters if Jackie attended.

by Anonymousreply 359April 8, 2018 2:49 AM

When you visited Jackie you always had to bring an expensive gift which she would open immediately. The more lavish the gift, the more enjoyable the evening. And when you left she’d open her palm and expect hundred dollar bills.

by Anonymousreply 360April 8, 2018 1:42 PM

Anyone remember KItty Carlisle-Hart? She and Jackie paled around during the 60's, and she said that she had to cut Jackie loose after a few years because being her "friend" got to be much too expensive as she was always expected and therefore required to pay for everything. It was always understood by all that Jackie never paid for anything, anywhere, at any time. Look at all her photos while she's out on the town. You never see her carrying a purse! "You want to my friend? That's fine, but it'll cost you!"

by Anonymousreply 361April 8, 2018 2:14 PM

R365, Jackie learned that from the entitled Kennedys. No Kennedy ever carries money with them and they are notorious for not paying their bills.

by Anonymousreply 362April 8, 2018 4:04 PM

One of my friends went to high school with one of Ethel's nieces. The family was filthy rich and never paid for anything. Kids were like a pack of wild animals and took and did whatever they wanted. They would torture the staff too- it was a revolving door because no one would stay.

by Anonymousreply 363April 8, 2018 4:15 PM

Why the fuck were they so wild? Is that normal for the Irish? Curious.

by Anonymousreply 364April 8, 2018 5:55 PM

R359 So basically Bobby and Jackie conspired to pander to black voters by having jackie go to MLK funeral. Instead of going out of respect for MLK memory and for the good work he did in his life and the tragedy of the assassination that silenced him forever. It was ultimately about votes?

I don't know why politicians especially white ones feel as though they need to pander to black voters. When Hillary Clinton took her ass on the Ellen show and started doing the dougie. Everybody was like here she goes trying to pander to black America. That type of shit is not going to get black people to support or vote for you. It's just not.

When Hillary Clinton went to black radio stations that play hip-hop and R&B in NYC. She was told by several DJ's to stop pandering to our community and to instead talk about real issues that black people actually care about. Like jobs and education and how she would change or fix the system to our benefit. And what would she do specifically for black people once in office. And not just to get our vote only after being elected not to do anything to actually change the system.

Doing a stupid hip-hop dance is not going to work. And I don't know why white politicians think that's enough to get our support and vote. Most of us are not stupid. And we can see straight through that type of pandering. If you're going to pander to black America. you better pander intelligently. Because that buffoonery stuff isn't going to get it.

That being said. I did support Hillary and voted for her. Because there was no way in hell I was voting for TRUMP.

by Anonymousreply 365April 8, 2018 6:31 PM

[quote] with one of Ethel's nieces.

On the Kennedy or Skakel side?

Because the Skakels were a wild bunch. Story was that Bobby Kennedy was afraid of Ethel's brother.

by Anonymousreply 366April 8, 2018 6:31 PM

It's the money and the privilege affecting the mores and ethics (or lack thereof). Raised by example that rules and laws somehow don't really apply to them ostensibly because of the money and the privilege. See how we've come full circle here?

by Anonymousreply 367April 8, 2018 6:41 PM

It was Michael Skakel that committed a murder in 1975, and got away with it for ages. The Skakels were ahead of their time, they acted like they were above the law, long before the rich actually DID become above the law!

Ethel was pretty tame by the standards of the family. Being a bad mother and not paying bills is nothing compared to murder.

by Anonymousreply 368April 8, 2018 7:29 PM

R365, Bobby desperately wanted to be the Democratic nominee for POTUS on 1968, especially after LBJ withdrew in late March, leaving the field wide open. Eugene McCarthy had already made a strong showing in NH and other primaries, and Hubert Humphrey entering the race would be another obstacle. Not only did Bobby pressure Jackie to attend MLK's funeral, he also asked her to delay any intentions she had of marrying Onassis until after the election, should he be the nominee.

by Anonymousreply 369April 8, 2018 8:04 PM

[r366] Ethel's brothers hated Bobby, and called him Boobie. They also hated Joe Kennedy whom they called "Old monkey glands".

by Anonymousreply 370April 8, 2018 8:57 PM

Let's all call Joe Kennedy "Old Monkey Glands"!

by Anonymousreply 371April 8, 2018 9:03 PM

R369 Bunny Mellon also attended MLK funeral with jackie. I thought those two being in attendance was really interesting. Those two definitely weren't the civil rights supporting crowd given the WASP like society backgrounds they both come from. That makes their attendance even more fascinating. Because Jackie and Bunny are both 5th avenue and Palm beach types. I'm sure they felt out of place in Atlanta at a black mans funeral who spent his life fighting for equality for all. But especially African Americans.

Just interesting, can't say that enough.

by Anonymousreply 372April 8, 2018 11:55 PM

Very touching photo . . .

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by Anonymousreply 373April 9, 2018 2:14 AM

No matter how indifferent to civil rights and politics Jackie might have been, attending MLK's funeral and paying respects to the widow was the correct and gracious thing to do.

Besides, a woman associated with the Kennedy clan always needs to work on her Casket Dance.

by Anonymousreply 374April 9, 2018 2:26 AM

"If i bought a couture gown and it was fitted and in the process of being made, and there was a flood, and my wedding date was pending, but the dress was lost, what are my responsibilities to the couturier and her shop? None. The shop can refund my money or the shop can make the dress again, if they can manage. Not publicising the dressmaker might have been quite standard for the time."

The point is, you dumb cluck, is that it took incredible time and effort to create the dress and and even more time and effort to recreate the dress and a slew of other wedding party dresses in time for the wedding due to an unforeseen disaster. And for all of that, Ann Lowe and her assistants got basically nothing monetarily and Jackie turned up her snotty nose and dissed the dress. I doubt Lowe even got a thank you. That is truly diva-like, cunty behavior. Your Queen Jackie was a cunt who behaved in shitty fashion.

by Anonymousreply 375April 9, 2018 2:37 AM

"There were threats against her and her kids and Onassis had the power and money to protect them all."

Bullshit. There were never any threats against Queen Jackie and her pampered offspring. She just got paranoid after Bobby Kennedy was killed, thinking her children would be shot next. Jackie was really kind of loony. Anyway, she married Onassis for his money. She wanted to be as rich as possible and she thought she could get that way by marrying the physically repulsive Greek tycoon.

by Anonymousreply 376April 9, 2018 2:42 AM

Jackie wasn't "my queen". Never much liked her. I knew John at Brown and I also dated one of Jackie's nephews and was several times at 1040 5th and Gay Head where my family had a house as well.

It wasn't on the cracker swells to cover the business losses of your negro seamstress as whatever happened had nothing to do with the Bouviers. Maybe Miss Lowe should have charged a higher price. Maybe she should have had insurance. Whatever. Accidents happen and a business suffered.

Why is this any proof that Jackie was Miss Evil Thang to negroes? Because she wasn't. Jackie O wasn't racist.

by Anonymousreply 377April 9, 2018 2:48 AM

"It wasn't on the cracker swells to cover the business losses of your negro seamstress as whatever happened had nothing to do with the Bouviers."

"My negro seamstress?" You sound like a Cracker yourself; a racist Cracker. As for Jackie, she would have nothing to do with "negroes", as you call them. She considered them inferior. She definitely considered Ann Lowe an inferior and didn't even deign to thank her for all her hard work, and I'm not just talking about redoing the wedding gown and bride's maid dresses in record time. I'm talking about the creation of the gown itself. Jackie acted like a shit and she did that a LOT. And your defense of her indicates that she is indeed your Queen, crackerhead.

by Anonymousreply 378April 9, 2018 3:14 AM

Whether it's true or not, the new CNN documentary said Joe paid for and selected Jackie's wedding gown. She hated it- too fru-fru.

by Anonymousreply 379April 9, 2018 5:03 AM

Well I always hated Jackie's first wedding gown too. The top is okay, but WTF is up with those big circles of ruffles on the skirt? They're hideous!

I wouldn't treat the designer of this dress like my best pal, either.

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by Anonymousreply 380April 9, 2018 5:13 AM

^^ Well, THAT'S out of place!

(thought I was in the Meryl/Jessica thread!)

by Anonymousreply 382April 9, 2018 5:27 AM

So MLKs widow asked Jackie to attend his funeral, but somehow it's a ploy for Bobby to win votes?

Maybe Coretta king felt Jackie, who's husband was also violently assassinated, could empathize?

Just me? Ok then.

by Anonymousreply 383April 9, 2018 8:40 AM

Someone told me that when JFKs head got blown off she wasn’t reaching for his skull but rather his wallet. Even in that horrific moment all she thought of was $$$.

by Anonymousreply 384April 9, 2018 3:30 PM

Everyone knows JFK never carried money.

by Anonymousreply 385April 9, 2018 3:35 PM

R383, Two different points . . . Yes, Coretta King wanted Jackie there because her husband was also assassinated . . . but Bobby saw Jackie's presence as a way to secure the black vote. Bobby was known for being ruthless, but he was also an opportunist.

by Anonymousreply 386April 9, 2018 4:42 PM

Ironic that Jackie didn't care for the company of blacks (save for Charlayne Hunter Fault, but only because they both had enormous feet and Char knew where to buy nice one for bigfoots like herself). Since she and Humphrey Bogart share a mulatto ancestor by the last name of Van Salee. When asked about this, Jackie insisted that Can Salee was Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 387April 9, 2018 5:22 PM

Why are you all so insistent on making Jackie out to be a racist? I've never heard that before. Except for here on the DL.

by Anonymousreply 389April 9, 2018 7:29 PM

I've read TONS of articles and books about Jackie, and there was never any mention of her being prejudiced. If she had been, believe me, it would've come out in the biographies.

by Anonymousreply 390April 9, 2018 7:40 PM

Because R389 there is a black SJW in the thread who is slight in information literacy and has an axe to grind.

by Anonymousreply 391April 9, 2018 8:01 PM

R391 I'm black and I don't think the person posting that is black. I think it's just a DL nut. I'm also R389. But I've never heard anything about Jackie being racist. But who knows.

by Anonymousreply 392April 9, 2018 9:24 PM

Well why did you write "why are you all" when maybe it just the one wacko.

by Anonymousreply 393April 9, 2018 9:35 PM

Jackie went to MLK's funeral at the urging of Bobby Kennedy. He thought it would be a good PR move and it was. But she definitely did NOT want to do it. The ice queen elitist Jackie felt acutely uncomfortable at the funeral amidst all those grief stricken, weeping colored people. No doubt she couldn't wait to get the hell out of there.

by Anonymousreply 394April 9, 2018 10:13 PM

".......and she (Jackie) said this to me, she actually said this to me "You speak so well." - Coretta Scott King

by Anonymousreply 395April 9, 2018 10:54 PM

Oh please. Jackie and blacks got along like gangbusters. Why, some of her best friends were black! Hardee, har, har, har

by Anonymousreply 396April 9, 2018 10:57 PM

R390, Listen to the 1964 audio interview Jackie gave to historian Arthur Schlesinger, which Caroline agreed to be released on CD. Jackie criticizes MLK harshly, thought he was a phony and a not very nice man.

by Anonymousreply 397April 9, 2018 11:05 PM

MLK was a phony and not very nice. Why people would believe Camelot is beyond me and the same goes for that huckster MLK. No saint.

by Anonymousreply 398April 9, 2018 11:18 PM

MLK is reported to have been:

serial philanderer (yet a minister). orgies, prostitutes, drinking, etc. Probably a problem drinker. Alleged to beat women. Had a fetish for white women (yeah, I know, big deal, but still....)

probably of low average IQ and heavily dependent on assistants for his "eloquence" which was mostly scripted - he had the talent of delivery

SCLC was a tax dodge (taught Jesse Jackson well!)

Oh and of course JEdgar accused MLK of being a commie pinko (again, so what, but....)

The point is, Jackie had access to this smear dossier and that's why she judged him. Not for being a NEGRO representative of a race, but for being a hypocritical, piggy man, not unlike her own husband, perhaps.

by Anonymousreply 399April 9, 2018 11:29 PM

MLK was not perfect. But God, he did a lot for civil rights. What did Jackie ever do for anybody else but herself and her offspring? Not a damn thing.

by Anonymousreply 400April 10, 2018 1:01 AM

R399, You left out plagiarist.

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by Anonymousreply 401April 10, 2018 1:38 AM

"The point is, Jackie had access to this smear dossier and that's why she judged him."

That greedy, snotty cunt was in no position to judge ANYONE. What an incredible bitch she was.

by Anonymousreply 402April 10, 2018 1:52 AM

R402, Yeah, but she could throw a hell of a funeral.

by Anonymousreply 403April 10, 2018 2:04 AM

gore vidal wrote in his memoir PALIMPSEST, jackie's mom's maiden name was levy. he wrote jackie aspired to achieve the unlimited wealth of bunny mellon and the marriage to Onassis was a means to this end. vidal didnt understand the reverence for jackie whom he described as genuinely selfish and the hatred for hillary clinton who devoted her career to helping others

by Anonymousreply 404April 10, 2018 2:09 AM

The [italic]surviving[/italic] aged whore...

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by Anonymousreply 405April 10, 2018 6:37 AM

[quote]That being said. I did support Hillary and voted for her. Because there was no way in hell I was voting for TRUMP.

Like hell you did, R365. I you had voted for Hillary Clinton you would have been OK with your choice, meaning you would not post on a Jackie Kennedy thread with a sole purpose to write an anti-Clinton post.

by Anonymousreply 406April 10, 2018 6:51 AM

This is how Jackie Kennedy greeted her gentlemen callers.

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by Anonymousreply 408April 11, 2018 1:35 AM

r9, that episode was such bullshit... there's no way Jackie would personally divulge that information to the fucking Queen of England.

by Anonymousreply 409April 11, 2018 1:38 AM

Jackie needed and wanted money. And lots of it. That's the reason for marrying Onasiss.

by Anonymousreply 410April 12, 2018 2:56 AM

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